International Bomber Command Centre, Lincoln

12 May 2018 16:01 - 12 May 2018 16:07 #1 by Able Mabel
I was expecting great things when I went to visit the IBCC.
Sadly from where I live, 40 miles North of Lincoln, there was not ONE heritage sign to indicate where the place is !

The museum is basically one room with a mere handful of artifacts ( 3 I believe) and a multitude of computer touch and listening aids.
The small IPad screens ran to fast to be able to look and read the inscriptions.
A large wall screen played a film about the air-war then a map of Europe showed the bombing campaign, a flashing light came on which corresponded to a calendar that was moving from 1939 to 1945. It did not list the locations of the bombing ?
Pet hate of mine is that the RAF undertook 'Operations' not 'Missions'
When I ask about exhibits concerning Bomber County' the reply was that the centre was about those that paid the price of freedom. Well thats all well and good but there would have been an opportunity to have a photographic display showing conditions and life on any RAF station that these men had to endure.
Reference to 'Bomber County' was an Ordnance Survey map of Lincolnshire that lit small lights when you pressed a button ? No details really.

Perhaps I am use to seeing numerous exhibits and artifacts that you can view and read, there was not a single model of any aircraft to be seen either, in fact my other half said the place was 'Soul less'

The only good thing was the steel plates that lists the 55, 000+ killed carrying out the campaign and I believe this is now the only located where they are all named.

I cannot recommend the place until they improve the visitor experience, in fact my recent visit to Thorpe Camp revealed a lot more about life during those days.
Nor can I run with 'The Emperors New clothes' despite the numerous plaudits I have read about through the media.
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12 May 2018 17:59 #2 by Peter Kirk
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I suspect all the funding went on the memorial itself. Hopefully it will evolve.

I personally, being a big kid, would love to see a turret mock-up that you could operate and shoot at a computer generated target. I dare say a mock-up of a bomb-aimers position with a similar set-up would be politically incorrect - unless it was over a bombing range :)

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13 May 2018 08:53 #3 by Harboda77
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Must admit that I did not get the significance of their memorial spire and then when they issued their pdf on Brand Guidelines last year ?

Sound concept but execution appears a little suspect.

Have to assume that this will eventually replace all of the small museums which sprang up around the country during the 1960's.

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13 May 2018 09:12 #4 by Ossington_2008
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To me, the most poignant thing about the place is that it's at least three decades too late. From Aaron to Zywina (though I might have missed some) there is the potential to get some 50,000 families to visit, though I doubt most will visit more than once. The map of Lincolnshire airfields also included Winthorpe, and I suspect that Harlaxton has moved a little.

imgur.com/a/65hfAPP

Like Bristols Filton museum, I felt the place left a corporate aftertaste. Maybe that will go as it becomes more accepted. Washington's list of the Vietnam fallen seems to have been the template.
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09 Jul 2020 10:02 #5 by David Thompson
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IBCC to re-open on the 21 July following COVID-19 closure

As a result of the COVID-19 crisis we had to make the decision to close the whole site on 19th March.
This meant the finances of the Centre have been decimated, with 90% of our income having been removed. Although we have furloughed the team, and negotiated terms with suppliers, the closure has had an enormous impact on the long-term sustainability of the project.

I am delighted to say that we will be opening the centre to visitors on Tuesday 21st July. We will, of course, be putting in place social distance and hygiene measures to ensure the safety of all our visitors and team. To see more details of the plans visit: internationalbcc.co.uk/your-visit-events/covid-plans/


Link here ; internationalbcc.co.uk/ .

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09 Jul 2020 12:13 #6 by Peter Kirk
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Not being able to visit the centre, even before the crisis, I have found the digital archive to be one of the best I have come across. The scanned and photographed document and artefacts are a great resource and even include a low level shot of a practice bombing run!

The main praise is for the digitisation of all those aircrew log books. As a source of information they are invaluable, not only on a personal level for the aircrew member, but as an historical record alongside the Operations Records Books. From my own point of view, ranges, many also include details of the amount of practice bombing and firing crews carried out and luckily many include the range used. One pilot logbook covered a period assigned to A&AEE at Boscombe Down and the amount of testing over ranges was two or three times a day, and that was just one pilot!

LOGBOOKS
Sadly the supply of logbooks is finite and my weekly check on the IBCC website for new additions to the digital archive may one day fail to find new ones. I do hope that one day all existing log books can be scanned for historians and that includes all branches of flying and even civil aviation. It would be a shame if those in private collections never saw the light of day and worse, disposed of in the recycling by someone who doesn't understand their worth. Maybe when the ICCC and IFCC come into existence :)

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09 Jul 2020 13:01 - 09 Jul 2020 13:04 #7 by netcompsys
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Not being able to visit the centre, even before the crisis, I have found the digital archive to be one of the best I have come across. The scanned and photographed document and artefacts are a great resource and even include a low level shot of a practice bombing run!

The main praise is for the digitisation of all those aircrew log books. As a source of information they are invaluable, not only on a personal level for the aircrew member, but as an historical record alongside the Operations Records Books. From my own point of view, ranges, many also include details of the amount of practice bombing and firing crews carried out and luckily many include the range used. One pilot logbook covered a period assigned to A&AEE at Boscombe Down and the amount of testing over ranges was two or three times a day, and that was just one pilot!

LOGBOOKS
Sadly the supply of logbooks is finite and my weekly check on the IBCC website for new additions to the digital archive may one day fail to find new ones. I do hope that one day all existing log books can be scanned for historians and that includes all branches of flying and even civil aviation. It would be a shame if those in private collections never saw the light of day and worse, disposed of in the recycling by someone who doesn't understand their worth. Maybe when the ICCC and IFCC come into existence :)


The latest IBCC Newsletter includes the following item:-

Although during lockdown, we have not been able to digitise new collections or record oral history interviews, our staff and volunteers have been working to publish collections we have already preserved. We have been working from home adding metadata (descriptions and cataloguing information), describing logbooks, and transcribing items.

We have recorded 1123 oral history interviews. Almost 900 are now publicly available in the archive, and 775 of these have been transcribed. Over 170 logbooks have now been described and published.

Alessandro Pesaro, our Digital Archivist, has continued to work streamlining our archive’s search tools and all points of access for RAF stations are now linked to a unique page with contextual information:
From here, users can retrieve relevant Archive items, see the names in the Losses Database or explore related experiences such as evacuees, village life, prisoners of war etc. Well done Nigel Moore for outstanding research and editing work!


So they have had to pause digitising, but it has allowed them to catch up with the publishing .....

This thread is also relevent
www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/r...gital-archive#158529

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21 Jan 2021 14:52 #8 by Peter Kirk
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None of my browsers are allowing me access at present (14:45 21/01/2021), even if I ignore the warnings! Any ideas?

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21 Jan 2021 16:53 #9 by kebecker
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same here, the main site seems okay, but not the archive

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21 Jan 2021 17:42 #10 by Peter Kirk
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With NCAP, BFA, Canmore etc down until 1st Feb (at Least), I may have to have a nap.

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