So Which Came First - The Chicken Or The Egg Or - Who Saw Who First ?

28 Jan 2017 11:07 - 28 Jan 2017 11:39 #1 by deeppurple6
Don't know if this has been mentioned in a post before, but don't these two look uncannily similar.
The Westland Whirlwind and ME 262.

Who saw who first ?, surely the Germans must have had a sneak preview of the Whirlwind, as their original plans were drawn up in 1939 and with the relocation of its engines became the 262 somewhere up to 1941.

The first Whirlwind L6844 first flew on 11 October 1938, and the first 262 test flights began on 18 April 1941 with a piston engine in the nose.
Spotted a picture of the Whirlwind in the Cambridgeshire Airfields in the Second World War Book, the aircraft were based at RAF Snailwell in March 1942.



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26 Nov 2018 11:08 #2 by canberra
Well you could say that the Whirlwind Mosquito Beaufighter and Ju88 all look very similar. Personally I think there isnt that much similarity between the Whirlwind and Me 262.

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26 Nov 2018 12:14 #3 by mbriscoe
I think it is just the constraints of aeronautics, rather like so many cars looking similar nowadays. When you start looking at details, many are quite different.

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26 Nov 2018 15:39 #4 by Ossington_2008
Form follows function: hence the P-51,109 and 190 show similarities, particularly tapered wings with straight lines. Does the job and a lot cheaper to manufacture than the Spitfire ellipses.

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09 Feb 2019 18:32 #5 by Kevin Aeronca
“Surely the Germans must have had a sneak preview of the Whirlwind” says deepurple6. How true!
The prototype Whirlwind flew on 11 October 1938. It was on the Secret List to prevent the Germans from discovering details.
It became operational with 263 Squadron on 7 December 1940. It remained on the Secret List.
As a long-range fighter, it escorted Blenheims to Cologne on 18 August 1941. That’s Cologne, as in Germany. Still on the Secret List.
Into 1942; still on the Secret List. At last, “The Aeroplane Spotter” blew its cover in defiance of the law, when the 26 February edition published two pages from a captured Luftwaffe aircraft recognition book, including four perspective drawings and a three-view silhouette.
At that point, officialdom was prompted to reconsider the ban — which included even mentioning the aircraft’s name. After a month of unhurried deliberations, the Air Ministry eventually released pictures of the Whirlwind, which appeared in the “Spotter” of 9 April.
Of course, all this stable door bolting was only a rehearsal for the “Spycatcher” debacle in the late 1980s. A typical British over-reaction.

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09 Feb 2019 19:11 #6 by mbriscoe
Wasn't there something copied by the Soviets (possibly Chinese) where they even copied things like minor dents in the metalwork.

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09 Feb 2019 19:20 #7 by netcompsys

Wasn't there something copied by the Soviets (possibly Chinese) where they even copied things like minor dents in the metalwork.


Was that the Tupolev Tu-4 (NATO name: Bull), their B29 clone?

kevin

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