Airfield Site Plans - How Accurate?

30 May 2017 09:24 #1 by James9026
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Hello, I'm new to the forum - I'm doing some research on the dispersed sites associated with RAF North Killingholme, and I've found several topics on here of relevance that have been incredibly useful, so thank you for that. I just wondered whether anyone may be able to help me with a query though - I've located an Airfield Site Plan (which was re-printed in After The Battle), and it's been very useful indeed, but I've noticed what seem to be some discrepancies between the plan and the actual lay-out of the site: notably the alignment, location and quantity of the airmen's barrack huts. So I wondered, how accurate are the airfield site plans produced by the Air Ministry?

Any help at all would be greatly appreciated,

many thanks,

James

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30 May 2017 09:42 #2 by Peter Kirk
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Airfield site plans often have differences to what was actually built. In some cases they show what was planned but changed when actually built. I always try to get a good aerial photo of a site to confirm was was really built.
The plans available are those that have been saved and the final plan may not have survived.

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)
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30 May 2017 09:50 #3 by Paul Francis
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Agree with Peter it is quite common to have huts aligned differently to that shown on the ground.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!
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30 May 2017 10:07 - 30 May 2017 10:15 #4 by James9026
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Thank you both very much indeed - I've also noticed that the plans state that these barrack huts are 'Nissen' huts, but there appear to be surviving concrete steps (only 2 steps in each 'stair') surviving along the long sides of the (broadly) rectangular foundations of the huts - would it seem likely that these are in fact not Nissen huts? (As I'm struggling to find any examples of entrances located along the sides of Nissen huts).

Any help is again, greatly appreciated,

James

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30 May 2017 10:26 - 30 May 2017 10:28 #5 by Paul Francis
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Always a problem when huts are incorrectly identified on the plan. At Compton Bassett for example they are shown on the 1945 plan as handcraft, when the camp opened before that but type was even invented.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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30 May 2017 17:20 #6 by Bloodhound1949
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If I remember correctly the After the Battle plan for Spilsby shows that all three hangars as being T2 types-In fact the one remaining hangar is a B1 type,the two transportable T2s were removed some time ago.

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30 May 2017 17:47 #7 by REF
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The site plan for North Creake in Norfolk has so many discrepancies for the tech site you can't rely on it at all!

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30 May 2017 18:05 #8 by netcompsys
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Also this from the Pocklington thread

www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/y...gton?start=70#142733

Hello folks

Just a reminder that the provenance of the above plan is a bit of a mystery. It's dated 1985 and is about 40 degrees out of alignment with the real world. Also NB that runway '10' [sic] should properly be marked '01' (i.e. 010 degrees magnetic, to the nearest 10 degrees), although runway markings were not used in WW2.

This plan was the basis for Bernard's Magnificent Model - so also shows R/W '10' - nice one Bernard! :-)

If anyone's interested, I have a rather higher-resolution and better definition version of the plan with some accompanying notes (PDF). If you want a copy, please drop me a quickie on admin at toms12 dot plus dot com HTH.

Regards to all

John Nott'num


kevin

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30 May 2017 18:47 #9 by Peter Kirk
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I suspect another source of differences is later changes and additions since the date of the plan. Current remains will reflect the last built. Again period aerial photos can help resolve this sort of anomaly, providing coverage is there for the relevant dates/years. This is not always the case and mismatched dates for drawings and air photos can cause even more confusion.

Many of the plans I come across at The National Archives include the word "proposed" and invariably there is no final or agreed version, however the proposed version will normally be overdrawn on an earlier plan.

In some cases large scale (or is it small scale!!!) OS maps can show detailed layouts and these can generally be relied in for accuracy, the downside is that only disused airfields appeared at first and not until the late fifties so cannot be relied upon to be complete.

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30 May 2017 19:03 #10 by Iain Taylor
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Thank you both very much indeed - I've also noticed that the plans state that these barrack huts are 'Nissen' huts, but there appear to be surviving concrete steps (only 2 steps in each 'stair') surviving along the long sides of the (broadly) rectangular foundations of the huts - would it seem likely that these are in fact not Nissen huts? (As I'm struggling to find any examples of entrances located along the sides of Nissen huts).

Any help is again, greatly appreciated,

James


Plenty of examples with doorways at the side..this one is at Strubby



As for whether yours were nissen...no idea. As others have said, the plans are not to be relied upon. They are a snapshot of what was considered or what was built.....very often a mixture of both. Plans often often based on earlier versions regardless of the actual accuracy of that earlier plan being used.

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