what weapon ?

Hi Guys, can anyone tell me what type of weapon would be used with these mounts please?.


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hornet.

Not one I recognise. It's not a Turnbull so that rules out the Vickers.

Could it be for use with a rifle?

I have seen the shelves often enough but not any ironwork like that! Where is this? And what pillbox type?

no idea what type of pillbox they are but they are located at RAF Wellingore, link to where i found the pictures,
www.controltowers.co.uk/W-Z/Wellingore.htm
they are still in the pillboxes as of 01/03/09, just doing some research for project Battle HQ
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hormet

I would take a guess at either lewis guns or brens.

PNK wrote:

I wonder if the holes in the frame are to lock the weapon in position?

Presumably; I can understand that you might want to lock the elevation, but the angle?

I can't find a good pic at the mo, so I can't confirm if it is the remains of a Pintel mount.

Arcade wrote:

Presumably; I can understand that you might want to lock the elevation, but the angle?

It's called firing along fixed lines and it's fairly common. Used mostly for defence at night where having a "free" weapon would run the risk of shooting other defensive positions. You basically set-up a fire plan of fixed lines/arcs (say covering a gap in barbed wire) and lock the gun in position. The mount usually has a limited amount of adjustment, say a few degrees in horizontal/vertical, but that's about it.

Must confess I've not seen anything like that pic before. Certainly not like the Vickers mounts I've seen and I've never seen/used a Bren one like it.

OneEighthBit wrote:

Arcade wrote:

Presumably; I can understand that you might want to lock the elevation, but the angle?

It's called firing along fixed lines and it's fairly common. Used mostly for defence at night where having a "free" weapon would run the risk of shooting other defensive positions. You basically set-up a fire plan of fixed lines/arcs (say covering a gap in barbed wire) and lock the gun in position. The mount usually has a limited amount of adjustment, say a few degrees in horizontal/vertical, but that's about it.

Must confess I've not seen anything like that pic before. Certainly not like the Vickers mounts I've seen and I've never seen/used a Bren one like it.

Right yes of course, that makes sense! I suppose it would have been much easier to understand the logic of it when all the other associated works were in place as you say.

Someone must have a good picture or drawing of a Pintel... :

Interesting. I have not seen that type of mount in a pillbox before. I agree that it is almost certainly for firing on 'fixed lines' but it looks relativley flimsy so perhaps intended only for a LMG yet there seems liitle room to mount a BREN even with the bipod folded.

A lot of the pillboxes on RAF bases were built in great hast in the early forties. Apart from the Regiment did RAF bases actually have BREN guns or were they all Lewis guns?