Typical RCAF Bomber Station

08 Mar 2018 16:20 - 09 Mar 2018 21:56 #21 by carnaby
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Out of the twenty installations 6 Group had: Croft, Dalton, Leeming, Linton, Topcliffe and Middleton. That's well above average, Why, I wonder.

The braking equipment was below ground. For an aircraft to hit one of these it would be disastrous. Surface remains (fairleads) of three can clearly be seen at MsG

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Obviously the two on the main runway went a long time ago.

Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite :twisted:

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08 Mar 2018 17:48 - 08 Mar 2018 17:51 #22 by olympusman
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Graham,

Into the ground like for example the NATO BAK-9 arrester system. In a kind of 'bunker'.

Nice to see that most "fried pans" are still existing at MSG as seen on your links !

I found the dimensions of a loop somewhere on the forum but no info about (or missed ?) :
* width of a RWY
* width of a TWY
* diameter of a "pan" ?

6 RCAF Bomber Group (organisation, airfields, squadrons, aircarft, and their 70 crashes in Belgium (location, crew, evasion lines, cemeteries, PoW Camps, etc...). Busy for a couple of years !!!!!!

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09 Mar 2018 22:30 #23 by carnaby
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Runway width 150 feet. Taxitrack width 50 ft

Frying Pan dispersal 85 to 150 feet diameter. Unsure why a variation. Wellingtons on OTUs don't need as much as a Lancaster, and fighters even less.

Generally earlier airfields had 120- or 125-ft diameter, The 150 tended to appear just before the spectacle loops appeared. The 150 used 56 per cent more concrete than the 120. Good job we didn't have bean counters in the wartime Air Ministry They'd have demanded narrower undercarriages on our bombers.

Examples: Enstone 100', Abingdon 130', Leeming / Linton / Topcliffe 125', Middleton 150' Alconbury 70 / 100 / 110 / 120' - a mixture.

Bardney stated to be 65 ft, but that's rubbish - more like 125 ft (guess they gave the radius)

Dimensions from SD722.

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11 Mar 2018 14:23 #24 by olympusman
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I go for MSG as I now have more information !

Just need a good plan from MSG on which I can read the building numbers...

Is there somewhere a list available of the building plans that RAF Hendon Museum is proposing ????

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11 Mar 2018 15:07 #25 by carnaby
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RAFM Hendon has nine site plans for Middleton - in chronological order from 1941:

35/41 (Dispersed sites)
3112/44
9856/57 and 9857/57 (Building schedule) and 9858/57
4239/62B and 4240/62B (Building schedule)
8752/63B and 8753/63B (Building schedule)

I have a few part sections of these but not sure which ones. I suggest you contact Hendon no further information
www.rafmuseum.org.uk/documents/Research/...rmation-Services.pdf

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11 Mar 2018 15:22 #26 by olympusman
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Looking for site plans between late 1942 to beginning 1945...
As suggested, wil contact them !

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12 Mar 2020 14:30 - 12 Mar 2020 15:05 #27 by Kiplin
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I've recently became the owner of some woodland at Kiplin and there are the remains of what appears to be buildings lining the track along one boundary of the wood.

Some appear to be the concrete foundations for walls but no sign of any brickwork just a line of curved cement which makes me think it was a nissen hut with the cement being used to seal the corrugated iron walls.

I've done some research but can't see any evidence that ordnance was stored in these type of huts or that they had a concrete floor but the site is where the FAD was located.

There's also what appears to be a largish rectangular area surrounded by concrete walls.

Everything is quite overgrown but I plan to make the excavations a project.

If anybody has any suggestions as to what the buildings might be I would be grateful.

Unfortunately I can't open the link with the Kiplin plans so any help with that would also be gratefully received.

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12 Mar 2020 15:50 #28 by carnaby
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Hi Kiplin,

Can you acccess this post #23 in our thread on the subject?

www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/w...-fad?start=20#149621

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12 Mar 2020 16:03 - 12 Mar 2020 16:08 #29 by David Thompson
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Kiplin
I have a site plan and have made previous visits and also to the hall itself.
I live quite close and we can easily meet up when convenient ?
PM me your email address . Apologies for brevity but I can't type on a mobile phone keypad !

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