WW2 Sleeve Streamer colour ?

25 Feb 2019 10:04 - 25 Feb 2019 10:09 #1 by Gypsymoth
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Can someone tell me what colour sleeve streamers or windsocks were on WW2 RAF airfields? I've been asked, & thought they were yellow. I don't want to give duff info !
Thanks.

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28 Feb 2019 18:43 #2 by Bloodhound1949
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books.google.co.uk/books?id=h86sbcpAROEC...BSE4ChDoATAEegQIBBAB

The above link describes the painting by Eric Ravilious,'Runway perspective,' it states that an airman is holding a scarlet windsock...Painted at RAF Sawbridgeworth in 1942.The painting is on the IWM site.

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28 Feb 2019 22:17 #3 by Gypsymoth
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Thanks. It looks more like a flag than a sleeve streamer. I've not heard of them being red though............
Cheers,
Terry.

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03 Mar 2019 11:27 #4 by canberra
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They tend to fade to yellow.

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03 Mar 2019 12:10 #5 by Gypsymoth
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Hello. I bet they did. Were all streamers Red ? I've seen a 1944 photo with a white one. Perhaps there was not standard streamers.......local rules applied ?

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04 Mar 2019 11:43 #6 by carnaby
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FWIW the mast in the 1950s was yellow. I once had a lump of wood from Thornaby's tabernacle.

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05 Mar 2019 03:02 #7 by Gypsymoth
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Not that he knows any of this as fact, but the chairman of the RAF Ibsley Airfield Heritage Trust has offered his best guess as to what's going on in Ravilious's (very much stylised) 1942 painting of RAF Sawbridgeworth - 'Runway Perspective' - that shows a man holding a red flag by the side of a runway as an aircraft takes off. Why? Well, a public road, Parsonage Lane, which went through the middle of the site that was to become RAF Sawbridgeworth, seems to have been kept open during the war despite two runways crossing it, 17-35 and 04-22 - the RSP shows this quite clearly. If the lane had been closed during the life of the airfield, any alternative route between Much Hadham and Sawbridgeworth would have added miles to the journey.

It's thought that Ravilious depicted Parsonage Lane as the light coloured streak across the painting. The man with a red flag is likely there to stop traffic from crossing the runway(s) while aircraft took off and landed. Ravilious, being a commissioned full-time war artist, might well have recorded this event in a painting because of the novelty of the arrangement. So, a flag and not a windsock seems the likeliest explanation.

The other oddity in the painting is the depiction of a church at the end of the runway. Even allowing a very liberal amount of artistic licence, the nearest churches with spires to the airfield are in Sawbridgeworth (to the SE, and 2 miles away) and Bishop's Stortford (to the NE, and about 2.5 miles away), and constructing a runway pointing at a church with a spire would have been a pretty poor piece of airfield design. However, St Michael's Church in Bishop's Stortford would have been quite a distinctive feature in the landscape as it 'crowns the hill above the fording place of the River Stort' with its spire reaching 180', and Ravilious seems to have been inspired (sic) by it enough to have put it in the background of his painting.

I return in this event to my original question, what was the colour(s) of WW2 RAF airfield windsocks ?

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05 Mar 2019 09:52 #8 by Bloodhound1949
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Thanks for the gen.I have just had a quick look at Roger Freeman's superb book,'The Mighty Eighth in Colour' which has numerous colour photographs of Aircraft and Airfields.There are four separate photographs depicting windsocks at four locations-The windsock are all of a yellow hue.

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05 Mar 2019 10:00 #9 by Gypsymoth
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Thanks for your quick reply. I just hope they picked up on a RAF practice !!!

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05 Mar 2019 10:02 #10 by Peter Kirk
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I had a quick look at AP 3024 "Flying Control" and I couldn't find a mention of a windsock let alone the colours of it. I could have missed it but I wonder if it is in the Met manual instead.
One other thought is that windsock colour might have to vary, depending on the background colours, so as to stand out.

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