Clandestine Airstrips.

11 Feb 2014 14:32 #1 by Snoopy
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Now here's an odd tale that's been bugging me for about thirty years. I used to know a chap who used to fly Lysanders during the war. He related to me that was flying happily along one day, miles from any known aerodromes, when he saw a Proctor below flying very low. He was then surprised to see it land and, thinking the Proctor pilot had made a forced landing he turned to have a look. Much to his surprise, the Proctor quickly taxied straight into a building and was hidden from view. Even more surprisingly, a team of men then proceeded to scurry about the field replacing a section of field hedge with some sort of mobile camouflage, so that in seconds, there was nothing whatever to see...
Since this was wartime, it wasn't prudent to ask to many questions about this sort of thing of course, so he kept his silence at the time. He said that he'd always wondered what this was all about. All I know is that at the time, he was based at Shobdon (Towing Hotspurs to train glider pilots.) and the incident was in the Hereford/Leominster area.
At that time, as it happens, there were a lot of Proctors based at Madeley, training Radio Operators. A possible connection..?
Was this just an exercise for some sort of continental adventure - or some secret facility....? It's obviously 100% Kosher, as I got it directly from the witness.
The question for the forum then is;- Is there any known precedent for this kind of activity.....any other similar reports....? Over to you...!

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11 Feb 2014 15:38 #2 by Peter Kirk
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My first thought is an SLG and the Proctor was delivering pilots. They were not known to many and, to my knowledge, not marked on maps.

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12 Feb 2014 14:36 #3 by Harboda77
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This may be one of the many grass airstrips that were commissioned outside the responsibility of the Air Ministry.

I suspect that this observation had taken place post 1943 after a part of the RAF Thame Training School had been reassigned to Shobdon.

The following is my recollection of an unsubstantiated discussion heard in the early 1970's.

During the first 12 months of the conflict a number of grass landing strips were identified to train special operation pilots in the delivery and collection of personal and materials both behind enemy lines and close to front line operations.

There had been a number of different defensive lines that were considered to be defensible in the event of a successful landing during 1940/41.

The last defensive line heading west from London had been along the Welsh Marshes and Severn Wye River channels.

The belief had been that the German Army would not want to fight a major close quarter battle in the Welsh Hills and would have preferred to hold their advance at this line until the defenders would have been starved of materials by simple blockade.

These simple grass airstrips were only known to the few special operations pilots who were responsible for working with the local marquis.

I've never seen any thing to support this explanation however it could be one possible reason for the observation.

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14 Feb 2014 13:31 #4 by Snoopy
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Many thanks for those interesting replies. It was obviously something that they wanted to keep secret - or at least were practicing for that. I'd love to know if these sort of sites were ever listed/documented in any way....?
Knowing the military's penchant for documenting things, I wonder if there was a handbook/manual/protocols for setting-up and operating such landing grounds....? Have any images of this type of operation survived..?
What is an SLG by the way....? (Secret Landing Ground..?)

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14 Feb 2014 20:25 #5 by airfields man
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Many thanks for those interesting replies. It was obviously something that they wanted to keep secret - or at least were practicing for that. I'd love to know if these sort of sites were ever listed/documented in any way....?
Knowing the military's penchant for documenting things, I wonder if there was a handbook/manual/protocols for setting-up and operating such landing grounds....? Have any images of this type of operation survived..?
What is an SLG by the way....? (Secret Landing Ground..?)


Short Landing Ground ? Someone will know for sure ;-)

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14 Feb 2014 20:46 #6 by Chris Lowe
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Satellite Landing Ground

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14 Feb 2014 21:10 #7 by airfields man
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Shifty Landing Ground..

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15 Feb 2014 12:41 #8 by Snoopy
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I just can't get the image of a team of erk's running-around with sections of hedges on wheels out of my mind.....:lol:

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15 Feb 2014 13:17 #9 by airfields man
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I just can't get the image of a team of erk's running-around with sections of hedges on wheels out of my mind.....:lol:


I wish that you hadn't said that ! :lol: I'm stuck with that thought now :roll:

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15 Feb 2014 18:29 #10 by Peter Kirk
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I believe there is a camouflage plan of Smiths Lawn airstrip that showed similar removable hedges.

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