Lost photographs and the importance of backing up

24 Jun 2020 14:58 #1 by PETERTHEEATER
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Paul, were those images the Photobucket hosted pix?

I thought that the current method of uploading from the posters PC meant that if the 'original' on the PC is deleted then the image in the post disappears too.

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24 Jun 2020 15:52 #2 by netcompsys
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I know the place you mean

This is the current thread for the former Wellington Inn in Moreton in Marsh, your photo is not in it

www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/g...lington-inn-ph#97836

The Wellington Inn was finaly sold for conversion to flats in 2012

I know that between 2008 and 2018, photobucket was your, and many others, preferred way of hosting and posting photos on the forum
You still have 1227 posts with photos on this forum with, often multiple photos per post.
If your account on photobucket was to didappear so would those photos

Try this search to see them for yourself
www.airfieldresearchgroup.org.uk/forum/s...hildforums=1&start=0

Early in the forums life it was not capable of properly hosting photos, but the glut of photo hosting sites going belly up or starting to charge serious amounts of money for hosting, or allowing photos to be viewed on "third party sites" like ours forced a change.

One of the particuar difficulties with photobucket was that, fairly obviously, if a photo was deleted from photobucket, it also disappearred from the forum
Similarly if a user stopped or deleted their subscription on photobucket then the photos also disappeared

Less obviously if a user re-organised their photos on photobucket by renaming them or moving them into a new folder or album then the photos disppeared as well
This is because the link from the forum was absolute, ie it referenced the users name, folder and filename as it was first linked

The last set of photobucket service changes a few years ago (2017) when they were taken over and nearly went bust, forced a huge effort on the part of the moderators to save these disappearing photos and host them directly on the forum, it was just not possible to save them all, or move them all over

It may well be that your photo of the Wellington Inn dispappeared in that very fraught time, especialy as there was a good photo of the pub available, locally hosted, in the thread, but it would only have been removed if there was no photo in it from photobucket

There is no policy or program of deleting photos from the forum with the possible exception of when they have no link to airfields, aviation, aviation history or memorials or military architecture

To be clear you should not consider the forum to be a backup for your photos, in any case I suspect that in this case it was simply a way to view photos on photobucket.
Personaly I would not consider photobucket to be a good backup of my photos either

I have to tell you that SD cards and similar semicinductor memory devices are probably the worst possible long term storage medium and should not be considered as a suitable primary or backup device.
It has been found in the Raspberry Pi community that repeated reads and writes eventualy causes the device to fail

If there was ever a priority lockdown project it would be to back up your photos from thiose cards onto something more suitable, preferably twice

I remember that Stevie and I spent some time assistng you to the new method of uploading photos directly to the forum, that seems to be working well, of course those photos are directly hosted on the forum

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24 Jun 2020 16:40 #3 by Peter Kirk
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Paul, were those images the Photobucket hosted pix?

I thought that the current method of uploading from the posters PC meant that if the 'original' on the PC is deleted then the image in the post disappears too.


The original should still be on the posters PC in the case of uploading to this forum and the forum retains the upload as a copy.

Yes the photobucket debacle was a nightmare to reclaim lost photos but ultimately photobucket prevented any rescue attempts in the later stages. A similar thing happened in previous years to other well known - then - web hosting sites.

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24 Jun 2020 17:33 #4 by kebecker
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I also used photo bucket just because that what you did back then. I was looking for some old shots recently and my pb account was still accessible and it was possible to recover some images to my MacBook. Have to say it was a Royal pita to do but it is possible.

Not sure if this might help Paul though

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24 Jun 2020 18:39 - 24 Jun 2020 19:30 #5 by airfields man
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Paul, were those images the Photobucket hosted pix?

I thought that the current method of uploading from the posters PC meant that if the 'original' on the PC is deleted then the image in the post disappears too.


Hi Peter, Yes they were from Photobucket, but thankfully Tony H has rescued so many of my photographs by de-photobucketing them. For which I am Very Grateful. Thankfully all those that I have lost were not airfield / aircraft related, but a Very Sad Loss for my other-half as she loves Windmills (As I do) and many of those have gone. Everytime I put the card into the reader it says; This card is empty, then This card needs Formatting. So I clicked on that and it said; If I do this all memory will be deleted. Can't win either-way. Bring-back the Good-ole Proper film camera's.

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24 Jun 2020 19:18 #6 by Jeff Hawley
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I also checked the backend of the software and could not find those photos either. Sorry.

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24 Jun 2020 19:35 - 24 Jun 2020 19:37 #7 by netcompsys
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. Everytime I put the card into the reader it says; This card is empty, then This card needs Formatting. So I clicked on that and it said; If I do this all memory will be deleted. .


Re-formatting semiconductor memory does not refresh the media to "as new" condition

You are kidding yourself by re-using these failed cards - get a new one


I also checked the backend of the software and could not find those photos either. Sorry.

Jeff


If it was on photobucket then it was never hosted here

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24 Jun 2020 21:33 #8 by Peter Kirk
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Get an external hard drive and COPY photos to that but also keep them on a hard drive in your computer. If you take loads of photos possible add a separate hard drive just for photos and then it is easy to copy the lot to the external hard drive.

NOTHING in the computer world lasts for long so as something starts to fail quivckly copy to another drive before it is lost forever. Only use those SD cards for taking phots and NEVER keep them on there. Bitter experience with all storage media since the birth of the home computer has taught me a hard lesson. And has been said already multiple backups are the safest way to go.

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25 Jun 2020 08:36 #9 by airfields man
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. Everytime I put the card into the reader it says; This card is empty, then This card needs Formatting. So I clicked on that and it said; If I do this all memory will be deleted. .


Re-formatting semiconductor memory does not refresh the media to "as new" condition

You are kidding yourself by re-using these failed cards - get a new one


I'm not trying to re-use any failed cards. One was a brand new one , didn't take long to fill it up but when we went to look at it , it said as I have quoted above. ? The other one, not that old just says; Needs formatting perhaps the card has got a virus ?

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25 Jun 2020 09:09 #10 by Peter Kirk
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Just a thought, but the card readers also get faults so it may be worth trying it in another reader first.

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