National collection of aerial photography

07 Oct 2013 08:55 #1 by PETERTHEEATER
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The National Collection of Aerial Photography (NCAP) has announced news of their new website by end of 2013, this should allow improved access to millions of images:

News here:

aerial.rcahms.gov.uk/news/news130704.php

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07 Oct 2013 12:42 #2 by Peter Kirk
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I am not clear on the benefits over the existing £15 pa subscription, although this looks to be £18 going forward. The current subscription has been worth every penny for me as I constantly use it but the enhanced on may not be as good a value. From the news item I assume we can find the relevant frames for specific areas but may still require scanning and the last time I ordered one it was £35 per frame.

Having said all that I will probably fork out for the enhanced subscription because the benefits may still cover the extra costs.

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07 Oct 2013 13:00 #3 by P Bellamy
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Isn't this what we were originally promised back in 2008 when it was called TARA?

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08 Oct 2013 04:59 #4 by PETERTHEEATER
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Isn't this what we were originally promised back in 2008 when it was called TARA?


Yes. The task of digitising archive material has, I assume, been a continuous process taking longer than perhaps first estimated due to resource limitations and, I suspect, some wrangling over where the main body of photographic collections would be combined and controlled. I still find it odd that I should be looking (will be looking) for overall UK geographical material under a Scottish archive:)

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09 Oct 2013 17:55 #5 by mbriscoe
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Yes. The task of digitising archive material has, I assume, been a continuous process taking longer than perhaps first estimated due to resource limitations and, I suspect, some wrangling over where the main body of photographic collections would be combined and controlled. I still find it odd that I should be looking (will be looking) for overall UK geographical material under a Scottish archive:)


The various Scottish bodies are ahead of the equivalent English and national ones in digitisation. I was at a talk from Scotlands Places last night, they give a common access point to many sets of records and have a launched a transcription scheme using volunteers. For an hour or so transcription a week, the volunteers get free access to the images.

I mentioned in another thread that a set of 1970 aerial images have been added to the RCAHMS site. Strange areas covered but some nice one of the aviation fuel store at Dumbuck.

I was thinking the other day, I wonder if there will be ever be a way of simulating a stereoscopic view of aerial photographs online. Not necessarily with coloured glasses but so you could get an impression of the height of structures using a stereo pair.

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11 Oct 2013 14:55 #6 by Peter Kirk
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Show the two frames side by side on a screen and make a big cardboard cover so that the left eye sees only the left frame and the right the right frame. Might be better easier on a tablet but the biggest problem to all this would be screen resolution.

Or could they not be converted into pseudo 3D relief to view on screen slightly oblique, rather like Google Earth flyover mode?

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12 Oct 2013 07:58 #7 by PETERTHEEATER
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I'm pressed for time but maybe some clues here:

www.itc.nl/library/papers_2003/msc/ereg/navarrette_pacheco.pdf

WW2 photo interpretation relied (I think) on the stereo effect given by two prints of the same target but taken with either two cameras at the same time or one camera with two consecutive exposures a time interval apart.

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12 Oct 2013 09:42 #8 by Peter Kirk
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I think in WW2 they used the overlap area and as this was quite large I suspect it was not a problem with coverage. When you look at old films of WAAF's looking at them through the viewers you can see them manually lining the two frames up. I doubt whether two full frames would have worked in the simple stereoscopes used.

Anyone know for certain?

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12 Oct 2013 13:56 #9 by PETERTHEEATER
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I am pretty sure it was the overlap of two prints the exposures taken at short intervals virtually the time taken for the film to wind on one frame. That gave two almost identical frames of the same area but the second frame covering a little more in the direction of flight and a little less on the trail. Usually the pilot's camera control included interval settings to cater for different altitudes.

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12 Oct 2013 15:17 #10 by P Bellamy
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Generally, you use two consecutive frames from the same camera's run. Most RAF air recce runs from WWII gave a 60% overlap between consecutive frames, so as to be able to have basic stereo coverage of the entire strip of land covered. PR Spitfires and Mosquitos did have a pair of vertical cameras fitted side-by-side, but that was primarily to increase the width of coverage in each run. See here for a coverage plot to illustrate: LINK (Note only every other frame is shown)

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