An Upkeep update and some other matters

26 Mar 2016 20:14 - 26 Mar 2016 20:16 #1 by John Anderson
An Upkeep update and some other matters was created by John Anderson



Leo Lane's wartime diaries normally contain little information other than the places where he went for Highball and Upkeep trials, where he attended meetings and the times he left home and arrived back!

1st week of January 1945 however includes an update concerning the status of the Upkeep (Dambuster) Lancasters and stores. Col Haugen and "Speedee" which was the code word for the fitting of Highball on a USAAF Douglas Invader, which after initial trials in UK went to the USA where it was lost on trials . Thereafter the USAAF lost interest in Highball. Also noted in the diary are the aircraft accidents involving well known test/trials pilots Bob Handesyde, Mutt Summers and Shorty Longbottom.

This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

27 Mar 2016 00:59 #2 by Peter Kirk
Replied by Peter Kirk on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
I wonder if the diaries are worth transcribing? Although much will be mundane and possibly not new but sometimes these things can throw up something unexpected for someone who is missing a vital piece of information.

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

27 Mar 2016 08:27 #3 by WJT
Replied by WJT on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
I can't stop thinking how joyous it must be for Lt Cdr Lane's family to have such exciting memorabilia of his Service. I have some bits and pieces of my Father's time in India with the Royal Horse Artillery, but nothing with so much detail.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

27 Mar 2016 11:21 #4 by Dietmar Morley
Replied by Dietmar Morley on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
This is truly amazing!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

27 Mar 2016 18:02 #5 by John Anderson
Replied by John Anderson on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
The diaries cover 1943 to 1945 and there is also some correspondence post war with Barnes Wallis. A lot of the Upkeep/Highball information in "Bouncing-Bomb Man" by Iain Murray is based on some of Leo's papers that were donated to The National Archives. His son and I believe that Leo may have been planning a book about his service (like his colleagues Gerald Pawle "The Secret War 1939-45" and "Admiralty Brief" by Edward Terrell), when some of the wartime projects were removed from the official secrets lists. However Leo unfortunately died of lung cancer in 1967.

Have recently found out that Leo Lane's elder brother was a senior FAA pilot on HMS Dasher, the aircraft carrier which blew up in the Firth of Clyde under circumstances which are not clear and was one of the small number of survivors-but then that is another story!

Will post any other items of interest.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

27 Mar 2016 18:41 #6 by REF
Replied by REF on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
Upkeep at Newark today, 27 March 2016

This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

31 Mar 2016 13:36 #7 by Peter Kirk
Replied by Peter Kirk on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
Just bought a copy of "The Secret War 1939-45" by Gerald Pawle (1958 edition) for £1.49. It looks to be a good read and will also give some range related information as well.

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

18 Apr 2016 19:46 - 18 Apr 2016 19:46 #8 by carnaby
Replied by carnaby on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
Some data from: Flower, Stephen, 2004. Barnes Wallis' Bombs. Tempus Publishing

Upkeep casing production at Vickers (Barrow, Elswick, Newcastle on Tyne).

Torpex filling at ROF Chorley. Inert filling by ROF Woolwich.

  • 60 live bombs ordered, plus 60 inert.
  • 20 inert sent to Manston for trials
  • 60 live, plus 40 inert to Scampton.
May 1943: Dams Raid.
August 1943: Upkeep tests on land targets at Ashley Walk
April 1944: Ten 'Upkeep' Lancasters, plus a quantity of weapons sent to Metheringham for storage. They were never used and they would be later dumped at sea and the aircraft scrapped - including Gibson's ED932G.
December 1944: Remaining ten Woodhall's modified Lancasters sent to 41 Group for storage. Remaining Upkeeps also left - but had to be available at one week's notice.
23 March 1945: Three Lancasters brought back into service - used to drop all remaining live Upkeeps into the Atlantic (unfused).

Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite :twisted:

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

31 Jan 2017 20:14 #9 by John Anderson
Replied by John Anderson on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
Following Peter's suggestion in post 2 i have borrowed Leo Lane's wartime diaries again and I am in the process of transcribing them into Word. The entries are in Leo's shorthand and include code words, timings, personnel and place names etc. I have found my copy of "Bouncing - Bomb Man" by Iain Murray particularly useful in figuring out what is going on, as well as various UK maps including at one point a Glasgow street map. I am steadily making way through the diaries but have been unable to decipher one particular entry.

I need some suggestions (polite ones please!) as to the wording of an entry in his 1943 diary. At the time Leo was at Rothesay/Loch Striven organising Highball trials. The Dambusters raid took place on 16/17 May 1943, hence the comment "News of Dams"on 18 May. My question is what is the first word on 17 May, "Noching", is it a place, a code word? See attachment.

This message has an attachment image.
Please log in or register to see it.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

01 Feb 2017 10:43 #10 by Peter Kirk
Replied by Peter Kirk on topic An Upkeep update and some other matters
The best I can come up with is NOELING. The N could be an M and the C could be an E. The best thing is to compare the letters to known combinations of them. The 17 - 20th is a bit odd and I assume it ends with D N. I did think it was a meeting with DN between those dates or something similar.

The other oddity is on the 19th May it ends with Euston 7.20. That is fast or did he use a 12 hour clock?

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.056 seconds
Powered by Kunena Forum

We use cookies to improve our website and your experience when using it. Cookies used for the essential operation of this site have already been set. By continuing to use this site you are agreeing to this. To find out more about the cookies we use and how to delete them, see our privacy policy.

  
EU Cookie Directive Module Information