Is it or is it not thats the question

18 Feb 2012 23:13 #1 by Stevo
Hi

I've been working through the 1959/34 and 207/36 Watch Office with Tower and came across Hooton Parks, which according to the control tower website is a 1959/34 with the tower removed and a 4698/43 larger control room added to the first floor.

Even though it doesnt really look like one when comparing it to somewhere like Bicester or Cosford as the quality just doesnt look the same....But if I give it the benefit of the doubt and it is indeed a 1959/34 with 4698/43 why does it look so rough???? and couldnt it mean that the watch office at Trebelzue is also a 1959/34 or 207/36 with the tower removed and 4698/43 control room added?

The 1959/34 is approx 25' x 30', the one at Trebelzue is about this size (measured on Google Earth). There are more things against than for though....e.g windows are different (they can just be made out where they where under the render), theres no parapet wall around the lower section (could have been removed at a later date).

Could both these Watch Offices have been built from a plan that already had the 4698/43 modification in it from scratch and neither of them ever had the centre tower

Here they are

Trebelzue (photo by REF)

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Hooton Park (Photo from Control Towers Website)

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19 Feb 2012 08:40 #2 by Paul Francis
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Interesting question there Stevo I can see why CT web site says that about HP, but for me it looks too narrow and the construction of the ground floor is completely different, the two brick colums are clearly load bearing supporting that lintol whereas the 'fort' does not need this because its roof slab is also the window lintol, its all cast as the same RC slab if you see what I mean, so that it is possible to have continious window glazing across the front elevation as well as a return on either side. The width of a fort ground floor externally is 24 ft 10 in. My first thought was that despite the presence of the spiral stair case that this is not an adapted fort but it might be! Neither is Treblezue which off course is an austerity satellite airfield and would'nt have had one for that reason. Getting back to HP, if you wanted to adapt a fort ie remove the tower section and build a wider one, you would not really want to structurally alter the watch office roof slab in such away as to completely re-build it (cut out the lintol section then make it good in order to install another lintol for small windows - it does not make sense it would almost be be quicker and easier to build a brand new building). Unless off course an aeroplane had taxied into the front section, thus destroying the original lintol. Well that my view.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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19 Feb 2012 11:36 #3 by Stevo
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Hi Paul,

Yeah thats what I was thinking, it certainly looks like a rough build, but the top floor does look the same as the 4698/43 , the layout of the door and windows on the front and side elevation are the same as at West Raynham for example even the cat ladder is in the same place.

Even if an aeroplane crashed in to it and it was rebuilt surely even in a black and white picture you'd be able to see the colour variation of the new brick and morter. It looks to me like the whole thing was built at the same time hence my thought for an adapted 4698/43 design? could have been a one off.

So Treblezue definately isnt one but Hooton Park could be I notice in your list in the audit section you have Hooton Park as a 1959/34

Stevo ;)

P.S Just on a slight side note Paul do you think the building up at Turnhouse is a 2062/34? It's not in your list?

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19 Feb 2012 11:43 #4 by airfields man
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There is also the hut behind.

The Dead got memorials, The living got time.

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19 Feb 2012 13:52 #5 by Paul Francis
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Stevo your quite correct about Turnhouse, back in 1994 I was unsure but perfectly clear now that it is the same as Hornchurch ie built without tower.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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19 Feb 2012 13:54 #6 by Paul Francis
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The H P building is a mystery, I still think this is not the building but something else built c.1943.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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