Help!!!!!

09 Dec 2008 18:27 #1 by Paul Francis
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Hello,

In first, I am sorry for my poor english, I am french, and my english is really basic.

I am Anthony Tixier, I am photographer in a French vintage aircrafts association : Foug'air.

We have, since some days, a DHC-1 Chipmunk, and we are looking for all informations about it.

We have some very troubles informations about its RAF basements. I know that :
30-08-52 built at Broughton, Chester S/N : C1/0736
06-09-52 No.9 Advanced Flying Training School RAF Immat : WP851
01-02-54 No.20 Maintenance Unit
07-06-56 Birmingham University Air Squadron, Cosford
07-09-56 No.22 Maintenance Unit
last immatriculations : G-BDET and PH-ZWA

My first question is : where was the "No.9 Advanced Flying Training School" in september 1952 ? Thornaby ? Wellesbourne ?

And, do you have, somewhere, some pictures of chipmunks from No.9 for help us for the restoration ?

I join 2 pictures of the Chipmunk at Villers (France) last saturday.

Thank you for your help.

Here is my galery photos : www.atgal.fr

Best regards

Anthony Tixier

Can anyone help our good friend Anthony?

Hello,

In first, I am sorry for my poor english, I am french, and my english is really basic.

I am Anthony Tixier, I am photographer in a French vintage aircrafts association : Foug'air.

We have, since some days, a DHC-1 Chipmunk, and we are looking for all informations about it.

We have some very troubles informations about its RAF basements. I know that :
30-08-52 built at Broughton, Chester S/N : C1/0736
06-09-52 No.9 Advanced Flying Training School RAF Immat : WP851
01-02-54 No.20 Maintenance Unit
07-06-56 Birmingham University Air Squadron, Cosford
07-09-56 No.22 Maintenance Unit
last immatriculations : G-BDET and PH-ZWA

My first question is : where was the "No.9 Advanced Flying Training School" in september 1952 ? Thornaby ? Wellesbourne ?

And, do you have, somewhere, some pictures of chipmunks from No.9 for help us for the restoration ?

I join 2 pictures of the Chipmunk at Villers (France) last saturday.

Thank you for your help.

Here is my galery photos : www.atgal.fr

Best regards

Anthony Tixier

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09 Dec 2008 19:22 #2 by daveg4otu
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Paul - Anthony may do better posting this one on the Key Forum Historic Aviation section - there is a major thread on Chipmunks there at the URL below (Copy/ paste to a browser - can't stop the forum software chopping of the end of the link unless I surround it with quotes)

"forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php...2&highlight=chipmunk"

Good luck

Dave

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09 Dec 2008 19:29 #3 by P Bellamy
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9 AFTS were at RAF Wellesbourne Mountford from 1951 to 1954, operating Oxfords, Harvards and Chipmunks. 9 AFTS dealt with pupils who had completed the basic training with 4 Basic Flying Training School at RAF Sywell until 4 BFTS disbanded in 1953.

All the best,
PB

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09 Dec 2008 19:32 #4 by Paul Francis
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Yes but we have our own resident experts, thats why its here and the qustions are airfield related.

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09 Dec 2008 19:56 #5 by daveg4otu
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Yes fair enough - though I was thinking more about his request for photos............

:)

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09 Dec 2008 22:24 #6 by Paul Francis
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Fair point if any member of Key would like to cut and past his request, I am sure that Anthony would'nt mind. I am not a member of Key. But put a link on here so he can find it.

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10 Dec 2008 18:53 #7 by daveg4otu
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Have C&P ed the meat of the post to the Key/Historic forum ...the link is here.........

.. forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showth ... 872&page=5 ..

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14 Dec 2008 22:52 #8 by WJT
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Gents: Thanks to members of Air Britain, here is a worm's eye view of the history of this Chippie. Special thanks to Geoff Ambrose, Henk Wadman and Bill Fisher.

Built at de Havillands Broughton Chester factory and awaiting collection 30/8/1952 
To 9 Advanced Flying Training School Wellesbourne Mountfield 6/9/1952
To 20 MU Aston Down 1/2/1954
To Birmingham University Air Squadron Castle Bromwich for summer camp at Dyce 7/6/1956
To 22 MU Silloth 7/9/1956
To Durham UAS Usworth for summer camp St Athan 13/6/1957
To 22 MU Silloth 3/9/1957
To Cottesmore Station Flight for summer cadet flying 24/6/1958
To 5 MU Kemble 20/10/1958
To Bristol UAS Filton for summer camp Valley moved 25/5/1959
Passed to Durham UAS for summer camp Valley 10/7/1959
To 5 MU Kemble 13/10/1959
To University of London Air Squadron White Waltham for summer camp Brawdy 9/6/1960
To Liverpool UAS for summer camp Thorney Island late August 1960*
To 15 MU Wroughton 7/10/1960 for polythene "bagging" trial** which ended 7/1963
Repainted 8/1963
To 27 MU Shawbury 25/9/1963
To University of Wales St Athan 12/5/1964
To Manchester UAS Woodvale 25/1/1966
To University of Wales St Athan 31/5/1966
To Bristol UAS/3Air Experience Flight Filton coded 7 24/1/1968
Category 3 repair [probably to incorporate Mods H288/289- steel tie bars replacing light alloy at bottom boom of central spar section/insert at bottom boom of wing] at 60 MU Leconfield 17/8/1968-27/9/1968
To Southampton UAS Hamble coded 11 7/1/1970
To Woodvale for mainplane refurbishment 12/1970 returned 20/1/1971
To 5 MU Kemble 16/3/1974***
To Queen's University Belfast Sydenham 21/3/1974 [collected previous day from Kemble
To East Lowlands UAS Edinburgh 17/5/1974
To 5 MU Kemble 25/4/1975 and to non effective stock the same day
 
Sold 13/6/1975 to P M Graham- Total RAF hours 5129 with mods 288/9 incorporated
Registered as G-BDET 17/6/1975 to Patrick M Graham Sunningdale Berkshire
Ferry permit issued 18/6/1975 valid to 1/7/1975 for flight Kemble- to a farm strip at Tongham Surrey
C of A issued 27/11/1975 after survey at a farm strip at Ash Green Surrey
Registered 3/1/1980 to Antony J Plowman/Edward T Smith/Raymond C Lock/William F Barns/Frederick J Well Enfield Middlesex based Stapleford
Registered 8/6/1981 to  Plowman/Smith/ St Albans Herts and William Burnet Chigwell Essex based Stapleford-cancelled from them 7/6/1985 as exported to Holland.
 
The history then becomes somewhat opaque. It seems that the aircraft was sold on twice and moved to Hinton in the Hedges and then went via Lydd 19/10/1985 to Munich for a US citizen. Returned to UK at unkown date for c of a renewal at Shoreham-issued 22/10/1989  [previous c of a expired 30/11/1987]
Registered 26/9/1988 to Rudolph T Heinen Worthing - Mr Heinen reserved markings PH-RTH for this aircraft and it is understood that they were painted on it while it was in mainland Europe.-possibly at Lelystad where it had been noted
Registered 9/1/1992 to Dirk Argra Pymans Farm Scarning Dereham
Registered 21/7/1994 to Cornelis Zoeteman -same address
Export c of a application 13/4/2000 by Star Air Service Teuge -last UK "full" c of a expired 13/4/2000 -Mr Zoeteman owner
Permit to fly issued 14/7/2000 until 30/7/2000 for test purposes
Cancelled from UK register 6/10/2000 -Total hours 5558 on 31/12/1999
PH-DET reserved 17/7/2000 for Star Air Service but not taken up
Registered as PH-ZWA 10/10/2000 to Arras Air BV Rotterdam-based there
For sale by Vliegwork Holland BV 4/10/2007- total hours 5580
 
* The Liverpool UAS use is not recorded on the aircraft record card .But from the London and Liverpool Universities ORBs and 41 Group's movement records, the aircraft was one of several returned to White
Waltham after the former's summer camp,  then moved from there to Thorney Island
 
** Trial to evaluate this method for storing Lightning aircraft at 33 MU
 
*** This was the final Chipmunk flight by an aircraft allocated to Southampton University

From Henk Wadman:

This Chipmunk was based in Holland; at first at Lelystad as far as known to me and later at Rotterdam Airport. I was fortunate to get a free ride in PH-ZWA some years ago. Some modifications had been made to the engine some years ago. As the owner (C. Zoeteman) lost his licence, the aircraft was ferried to Midden-Zeeland and after some months to Lelystad. During its stay in Holland this Chipmunk did not fly very often. November 27th it was ferried to France via Antwerp, but experienced enginetrouble(?) after take-off from Antwerp and returned to the airfield.
 
Info below is taken from the site of Herman Dekker.

Aanvraag Bewijs van Luchtwaardigheid = application for CofA
Aanvraag ingetrokken = application withdrawn
Reservering door aanvrager ongedaan gemaakt = reservation cancelled by person/company that requested the reservation
Kenmerk is aangebracht geweest = markings ?PH-RTH? were painted on the aircraft (photoproof!)

 (PH-RTH)          de Havilland Canada DHC.1 Chipmunk  22      C1/0736  G-BDET, WP851

                        10.11.1986   Gereserveerd door R.Th. Heinen, Duiven.

                        22.07.1987   Aanvraag Bewijs van Luchtwaardigheid.

                        08.04.1988   Aanvragen ingetrokken.

                         To: G-BDET, (PH-DET), PH-ZWA

                        Kenmerk is aangebracht geweest.

   (PH-DET)          de Havilland Canada DHC.1 Chipmunk C1/0736  G-BDET, (PH-RTH), G-BDET, WP851

                        17.07.2000   Gereserveerd door Star Airservice VoF, Teuge.

                        18.07.2000   Reservering door aanvrager ongedaan gemaakt.

                         To: PH-ZWA

PH-ZWA           de Havilland Canada DHC.1 Chipmunk C1/0736
 5960            (PH-DET), G-BDET, (PH-RTH), G-BDET, WP851

                        10.10.2000   Aras Air BV, Rotterdam.

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16 Dec 2008 11:15 #9 by daveg4otu
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Pleased to see that Anthony has found his way to the Chipmunk thread on Key forums.

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