Visited Walney in 2006 to look at the old 600 yard gallery range. Found the old butts, but also stumbled over concrete slabs nearby which did not make sense at all at the time. Thanks to your efforts I now know that it was W1 and parts of W2 of the 200y MTR we were looking at, with W1 having fallen flat on its face.
Attached some pictures showing the scene at the time.
Ageree, thanks for the Walney photos. Here's one I took from a slightly different angle in 2005, looking inland from W1 (which is on its side as can be seen in Google, etc.) towards what's left of W2...
Dumfries
W1 was all there and half of W2 was still extant in 2005. The circuit of track was built on a slope so part of it was in a shallow cutting and part on a small embankement.
Wall W1
Silloth
Very little remains but parts of W2 still ther in 2005. Trackbed visible in some parts with a bit of an embankment on the Southern side.
Seaward end of W2 looking at location of W1
I've visited the site here 2-3 times and there's quite a few remains including walls W1-3 and the Turret building or workshop, possibly the best or only remaining example. I spoke to a local chap who was a child when the range was built (he thought in 1936-7) and then after the war he worked for the RAF as a general handyman on the site. He said that as a child the airmen used to give him rides on the target trolley and that it was "...a bit scary" !! I bet it was
Looking at
GoogleMaps
it shows the complete layout at Theddlethorpe. Roughly in a line along the centre, left to right, we have:
The barracks for trainees - the buildings just to the right of the red roofed building. The current grounds of the barracks (the green area between the yellow fields) also contain some WW2 looking relics. Barracks are now some form of hostel or sheltered accommodation.
The extant turret workshop is roughly in the middle of the view.
Then the 'normal' walls W3, 2 & 1 are still complete.
Photos are:
W3 - note additional brick structure at northern end of wall - any ideas what it might have been used for ? It's on the sheltered side of W3 so would people have been in it observing or something ?
My theory is that Theddlethorpe may have been the first 200yd MTR built and some, if not all, others were copies with minor variations, but I'm more than happy if others have alternative thoughts.
I'll post more stuff about the turret workshop next.
JohnG
My theory is that Theddlethorpe may have been the first 200yd MTR built and some, if not all, others were copies with minor variations, but I'm more than happy if others have alternative thoughts.
John,
If the guy who gave you the dates s correct then it might have been the first. It might also explain the odd location and possible Manby connection.
I must admit I have never given much thought to dates so it would be great if some these could be given "used from xxxxxx to xxxxx" in the audits list or just a from date.
No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)
Well, when I spoke to him about 3-4 years ago he seemed pretty certain of the dates. Parts of the site were begun in 1935 and then the MTR a little later, 1936-7, he was quite clear about it being before the war. He said he used to come home from school and help out building up the earth banks using a horse and cart - the range being on his family's farm. He also said that other times when he got home from school it was his job to round up the sheep grazing on the range so that the airmen could start firing.
I also wondered why the MTR was located there when a lot of the others seemed to be more remote (from Europe), such as Hell's Mouth, Millom, Wigtown, etc., well, that's until the recent finds elsewhere on the East coast. Dates would be useful I feel, I'll see if I've got any others.
Initial reaction was - No. But a closer inspection in Bing Maps suggested otherwise - the dimensions were of the right order.
Now I've just had a look at Edward Doylerush's 'The Legend of Llandwrog'.
There's a 1946 vertical in it which reveals nothing in the relevant area, apart from the vague bucket shape. A glance at the text then found, 'Part of the Llandwrog gunnery training included visits to the MTR at Hell's Mouth'.
Guess that confirms it. The book also states:
The Hell's Mouth MTR was completed by July 1940.
The well known photo of a turret using an MTR was actually at HM. (I'd like to see proof of this)
Visits to Penhros were made twice a week to practise on a 'panoramic turret in one of the hangars'.
The book shows the Luftwaffe target photo of Hell's Mouth; the MTR is clearly visible.
Graham
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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