200 yard Moving Target Ranges

26 Jun 2009 14:16 - 24 Feb 2017 13:18 #1 by carnaby
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The device was found close to a number of airfields associated with gunnery training during WWII. Details and photo in the audit

Known installations - usually but not always at Air Observers Schools or Air Gunnery Schools, were:

Barrow (Walney Island), Dwg. No. W21/42 was here . Rifle Butts wall remains to the north.

Dumfries is here

Hells Mouth is here - though it wasn't an AOS or AGS, There is an extra protective wall to the south-east.

Jurby is here

Millom is still extant

Pembrey's is long gone.

Silloth disappeared a long time ago.

West Freugh - NX107524 / condition unknown.

Wigtown - possibly the best surviving example

Were there any others?

This info has been compiled in conjunction with Paul Francis and the late Gilbert Rothery of the ARG.

Graham

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26 Jun 2009 15:09 - 11 Jan 2018 12:56 #2 by carnaby
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Millom Range, photographed June 2009. See above entry (plan) for details.

Wall W1

Walls W2 (left) and W1 (right)

View from with W2 in forground, and W3 in background. Turrets would be 200 yards behind W3

View from left of W1 towards W2. Airfield and Prison in background

Control building

Switchgear / transformer? remains in open section of building

Remaining section of overgrown banked track. Control Bdlg background. Possibly much of gravel banking was removed during building of Haverigg Prison.

Maintenance area behind W1. A small section of track with 'end-stops' remains.

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26 Jun 2009 16:05 #3 by Paul Francis
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Excellent Carnaby. There is a similar range on Dartmoor, not far from Okehampton Camp which has been restored and working. The scale is a lot bigger than the RAF range as the target trolley is a lot larger, being a Wickhams trolley built in Ware. It is powered by a Jap V-twin two-stroke engine with a replica tank mounted above it. The target trolly is sheilded by an earth bank so that at a distance one can just see the tank moving above the earth bank which presents a very tempting target. The range was abandoned a long time ago but the CO restored the range and trolley as a project and I understand it is now in use.

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26 Jun 2009 17:19 - 11 Jan 2018 11:04 #4 by carnaby
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Barrow - Walney Island. Photographed c.1980

Turret Site

View from Turret site towards Wall W3 (C), and Wall W2 (B)

Switchgear lurking in undergrowth adjacent to the Turret site.


On Record Site Plan 4404/45 the range is depicted as W21/42. There does not appear to be a building on the Turret site.
Also the significant concrete construction just to the right of the 'C' line is not shown.

Graham

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26 Jun 2009 20:34 #5 by Peter Kirk

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26 Jun 2009 20:54 #6 by carnaby
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Tain is a new one on me Peter - a good find. It's still here

It falls into the category of non Observer, non Gunnery training - so why did it have one?

Graham

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28 Jun 2009 09:22 - 07 Jul 2017 16:58 #7 by Peter Kirk
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Barrow 194?


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28 Jun 2009 10:21 #8 by Peter Kirk
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The first photo was supposedly taken at Tain. I used to have a wartime book that had the same photo. One of the many things that got boot-faired when interest rates were touching 15% and we were struggling to pay the mortgage. Ah the good old days!

I have also found mention of one at Theddlethorpe on this site

www.thegilbys.org.uk/john/mtr/mtrhome.html

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28 Jun 2009 10:48 - 07 Jul 2017 16:57 #9 by Peter Kirk
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Fort George near Nairn - NH789565

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28 Jun 2009 11:59 - 07 Jul 2017 16:56 #10 by Peter Kirk
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Pembrey - NGR = SN397041




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