Stanton or not Stanton?

15 Nov 2023 13:15 - 15 Nov 2023 14:18 #1 by IanBrown
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At the museum part of East Fortune airfield there is a surviving air raid shelter. This looks like a Stanton, but there are some differences from what I believe defines a Stanton and wondered if anyone can confirm if this indeed a Stanton shelter, or if it is a different type. If so, what is it?
  • The side are not vertical at the base, by slightly sloping inwards.
  • The sections are not bolted together.
  • There are entrance/exits at each end, rather than one entrance/exit and an emergency exit shaft at the opposite end.

    Any information on this would be much appreciated.
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15 Nov 2023 15:07 #2 by netcompsys
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The Pillbox Study Group have identified it as a Stanton
edob.mattaldred.com/map/e11124

But I agree it does not look exactly like the inside of any Stanton I have been in
Obviously a prefab shelter built from sections, but maybe they did things differently in Scotland ?

A google search found this in Kirkbride
www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rwbarnes/defence/kirkbri2.htm
which the author identified as a Prefab (Stanton)  - maybe some people just refer to all concrete, sectional shelters as "stantons" like people refer to vacuum cleraners as "hoovers"



 

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15 Nov 2023 15:58 #3 by IanBrown
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Thanks. I agree that the issue is that the term Stanton is used to refer to more types than are actually Stantons. However, there are enough differences that make me wonder if it is from a different manufacturer or perhaps just a sub-type. The fact this shelter does not have the standard emergency exit shaft would perhaps suggest it is not a Stanton at all, at least not a standard one. I don't know enough about different airfield air raid shelters, and hope someone here may be able to provide a definitive answer.

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15 Nov 2023 18:00 #4 by Peter Kirk
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Be funny if it was made by Maycrete :)

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)

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15 Nov 2023 23:33 #5 by mbriscoe
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I take it you have looked at the chapter in Works and Bricks on the Air Raid Shelters at Filton?  Quite a few variants shown there.

 

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16 Nov 2023 07:34 #6 by IanBrown
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Thanks. I have, and there's nothing in there that is an exact match.

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21 Nov 2023 15:10 #7 by Paul Francis
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The answer is in my book Works and Bricks

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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22 Nov 2023 09:14 #8 by IanBrown
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Paul,

Thanks, but can you elaborate? I do, of course, have a copy of your excellent book, but couldn't see anything in there that is an exact match. There is the Stanton Commercial Version which does indeed have two entrance/exits rather than one emergency exit (plan on page 204), but the shelter at East Fortune doesn't have vertical sides nor are the sections bolted together. Is it still a Stanton, because my understanding is that Stantons are vertical at floor level, which this shelter isn't?

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02 Dec 2023 18:08 #9 by IanDDavidson
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It looks like a Trollope commercial.

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22 Jan 2024 20:19 #10 by IanBrown
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Thanks, but a Trollope has continually curved sides. This has very straight sides, only curving at the very top. I don't think it can be a Trollope but it is different from standard Stanton shelters too.

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