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04 Feb 2010 07:15 #1
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Usaaf air gunnery training was created by PETERTHEEATER
Of interest because it adds information to the use of Moving Target Ranges is this document. Download the PDF:
74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:fY9_olPVmf...&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk
74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:fY9_olPVmf...&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk
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13 Feb 2010 00:04 #2
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Does the PDF have pictures (I dont see any, but my acrobat reader is a bit old) ? I have seen this before somewhere with images, but couldnt remember for the life of me where!
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13 Feb 2010 05:52 #3
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Yes, lots of photos and other images; that's what makes it interesting.
Download Foxit Reader and throw the Adobe 'bloatware' away.
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13 Feb 2010 09:46 #4
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There is another document here
www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090602-068.pdf
Download is a bit hit and miss as I had 20 mins of appalling speed (1-5kbs) then lept to 685kbs and finished in seconds whilst other documents from the same site loaded part then stopped.
There is plenty to choose from though but I think this site has been mentioned before??
www.afhra.af.mil/studies/numberedusafhistoricalstudies.asp
www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090602-068.pdf
Download is a bit hit and miss as I had 20 mins of appalling speed (1-5kbs) then lept to 685kbs and finished in seconds whilst other documents from the same site loaded part then stopped.
There is plenty to choose from though but I think this site has been mentioned before??
www.afhra.af.mil/studies/numberedusafhistoricalstudies.asp
No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)
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13 Feb 2010 19:36 #5
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There is a reference to skeet ranges, I think there was one at Kings Cliffe, I had always asummed that it was simply a clay pigeon range for recreation, anyone got any thoughts on this?
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Of interest because it adds information to the use of Moving Target Ranges is this document. Download the PDF:
74.125.153.132/search?q=cache:fY9_olPVmf...&cd=14&hl=en&ct=clnk
There is a reference to skeet ranges, I think there was one at Kings Cliffe, I had always asummed that it was simply a clay pigeon range for recreation, anyone got any thoughts on this?
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13 Feb 2010 21:23 #6
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The skeet ranges were part of the training to get gunners used to the concept of firing ahead of the target. Cheaper than other means and good fun!
Strange they have them in the UK as you would have thought all the training at that level would be in the US with only refresher or practice firing in the UK
Strange they have them in the UK as you would have thought all the training at that level would be in the US with only refresher or practice firing in the UK
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13 Feb 2010 22:33 #7
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Although skeet shooting was taught generally, including on the UK refresher couses, AAF bomber gunners had to un-learn leading the target.
Like the US paperboy trying to get the paper on the porch used as an example in Stateside training, bomber gunners had to aim off to the aft of their aircraft to hit the target.
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Like the US paperboy trying to get the paper on the porch used as an example in Stateside training, bomber gunners had to aim off to the aft of their aircraft to hit the target.
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14 Feb 2010 05:39 #8
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The difference is that the paperboys bike is moving relative to the porch which is stationary so he needs to throw the paper before coming abreast of the porch to allow for the forward velocity.
But, if firing abeam from (say), the waist gun of a B17, at a target which is moving parallel but faste,r the gunner would have to 'lead' the target.
But, if firing abeam from (say), the waist gun of a B17, at a target which is moving parallel but faste,r the gunner would have to 'lead' the target.
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14 Feb 2010 06:59 #9
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so I supose the question is if there was a skeet range at KC, and this was a fighter station, was the same training given to fighter pilots?
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14 Feb 2010 07:04 #10
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More so I would think kebecker.
Deflection shooting was an art which had to be taught and learned to be effective until the introduction of the gyro gunsight which solved that part of the equation.
Deflection shooting was an art which had to be taught and learned to be effective until the introduction of the gyro gunsight which solved that part of the equation.
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