Usaaf air gunnery training

14 Feb 2010 10:04 #11 by Peter Kirk
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Slightly off topic, but I read somewhwere, I believe about Arnhem, that an officer was seen running across an area covered by enemy snipers and he ran for five paces, stopped, beck tracked two then ran for three, stopped, ran for seven stopped etc. etc.

Soldiers fascinated by this strange behaviour discovered it was his techniquie to prevent the sniper getting a reliable track to enable him to fire.

Can't recall if it worked.

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14 Feb 2010 12:56 #12 by carnaby
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Slightly off topic, but I read somewhwere, I believe about Arnhem, that an officer was seen running across an area covered by enemy snipers and he ran for five paces, stopped, beck tracked two then ran for three, stopped, ran for seven stopped etc. etc.

Soldiers fascinated by this strange behaviour discovered it was his techniquie to prevent the sniper getting a reliable track to enable him to fire.


I'm sure it would work. Not so easy for an aircraft though - unless you're a Harrier :D.

Graham

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14 Feb 2010 14:38 #13 by P Bellamy
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Apologies, I wasn't as clear as I could have been while trying to explain bomber gunners using deflection as opposed to leading the target earlier.

Hopefully these pages from the Gunners Information File will help.
These first three illustrate the "Paperboy Principle".

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14 Feb 2010 14:40 #14 by P Bellamy

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14 Feb 2010 16:26 #15 by Peter Kirk
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Okay understand now. The only difference is that with skeet shooting you are static. Normally.

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14 Feb 2010 16:36 #16 by P Bellamy
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Normally, yes.

Although as ever there were exceptions........ ;-)

Here's a moving rig fitted onto a Kew-built Dodge, probably a 63A type, "somewhere in England":

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14 Feb 2010 16:52 #17 by Peter Kirk
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Noooooo! :)

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14 Feb 2010 16:57 #18 by carnaby
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... the "Paperboy Principle".


Amazing - I now know that this was invented by an ex WWII gunner.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paperboy_%28video_game%29

Well worth a read ! I believe it was slated at the time for being somewhat ASBO :cry:.

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14 Feb 2010 17:39 #19 by kebecker
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Thanks Paul, just think of the pheasants you could bag with one of those!

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15 Feb 2010 07:41 #20 by PETERTHEEATER
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Nice. Looks like a Remington pump shotgun which has a local mod to allow reloading - operating the pump - using a toggle and lanyard.

Having looked at the thumbnails, I now see what you meant. Yes for 'angle off' shooting where shooter and target are converging the line of sight would need to be behind. A most difficult shot psychologically.

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