L.A.B.S. (Low altitude bombing system)

20 Sep 2011 10:32 #11 by YellowPinkie
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Here we go, let's see what happens.

This article is in the 1957 Edition of the Boys' Book of Flight, a fantastic technical snapshot of the aircraft and techniques of the time, and has this nice bit relevant to this thread. The Whole book is full of Fairey Deltas, and other delights of when we used to make aircraft.

I can't see boys today being interested in this amount of detail...

-Steve

Attached files Boys' Book of Flight 1957_OPT4.pdf (1.7 MB) 

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20 Sep 2011 12:40 #12 by Peter Kirk
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Superb. I remember getting hand-me-down books from that era and into the early 60s and the numbers of test aircraft used to illustrate them was quite significant. As a result of these books, most of which were too technical for me at the time, that era has become my favourite for aircraft.
Sadly LABS is outside the scope of my current project but has proved an interesting distraction.

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20 Sep 2011 22:01 #13 by YellowPinkie
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Superb. I remember getting hand-me-down books from that era and into the early 60s and the numbers of test aircraft used to illustrate them was quite significant. As a result of these books, most of which were too technical for me at the time, that era has become my favourite for aircraft.
Sadly LABS is outside the scope of my current project but has proved an interesting distraction.


Exactly the reason I love this era too. The test aircraft hangar at Cosford is just like walking into the pages of this book.

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21 Sep 2011 05:41 #14 by PETERTHEEATER
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Canberra said:

Peter at Tain aircraft using target one for LABS when I there tended mainly to be Buccaneers from Lossiemouth and F111s. Bussc used 28lb smoke and flash, the F111s tended to use 6lb bombs. Incidentally one Bucc actually had a DH on the target!

Ah...yes, by then the 28 pound PB had come into service and was representative of the current nuclear bomb ballistics. The old grey matter forgot that one, thanks.

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27 Sep 2011 11:22 #15 by bvs
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Photo here inside Canberra WE188 which was a LABS trainer,I worked on her many times on 231 OCU early-mid 70's.
If you look carefully you can see the 'Pig Sticker' under the rudder pedals (used to lock the control column fwd when swinging the stbd seat fwd for Nav access to rear cockpit)

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13 Sep 2014 18:48 #16 by Peter Kirk
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Firstly, was it really 2011 when I created this thread, I was thinking last year!

Secondly the Fleet air Arm Manual of Air Weapons Training, AP (N) 82, refers to it as LOFT bombing with LABS in brackets. This is undated but some updated sheets say September 1968. Scimitars and Sea Vixens - lovely.

I wonder what they call pilots who use the toss bombing system?

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19 Mar 2016 21:36 #17 by Peter Kirk
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Was Tain the only UK LABS range. It was certainly the only FAA range in 1959/60 but was another added for RAF use or was Germany used for LABS practice?

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19 Mar 2016 23:11 - 19 Mar 2016 23:14 #18 by WJT
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Peter:

I well remember RAF Germany Canberras flying a typical LABS profile on Wainfleet, as well as USAF F100 Super Sabres. Quite how the LABS profile differed from a toss or a loft profile, I'm not sure. Presumably the exact profile was developed depending on the ballistics of the weapon to be used. I seem to remember Buccaneers flying 'over-the-shoulder toss', but again without some digging I can't remember the detail of the profile.

All the Canberra and F100 action in those far off days was all pretty spectacular and I well remember spending days in the school summer holidays sitting in the sun on the sea bank watching it all happen. Isn't it amazing that in those times every day was full of sunshine?

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19 Mar 2016 23:33 #19 by Peter Kirk
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The impression I got from the FAA file was that both types of profile were practised by the Scimitars and later the Buccaneers. They mentioned a profile tracker which was initiallt a power turret with an optical device to follow the aircraft and the track was then drawn directly onto paper in the same way as the wartime track recorder. Seems a bit Heath Robinson for 1960 but if it works. I wonder if the two types of release had different benefits in different circumstances and therefore crews had to be capable of using both?

I'll have to dig a bit more at TNA to see when Wainfleet pops into the equation, assuming it is recorded in any files.

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20 Mar 2016 12:01 #20 by PETERTHEEATER
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The following user(s) said Thank You: Peter Kirk, Ossington_2008

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