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03 Oct 2014 14:54 #21
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I have a feeling that Flight Engineers didnt attend an ITW, can anyone confirm or deny this?
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03 Oct 2014 16:10 #22
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By July 1944 No.90 ITW had been established at Cranage purely for Flight Engineers. By then gunners, navigators and wireless operators also had separate ITWs.
More to follow when I have time.
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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I have a feeling that Flight Engineers didnt attend an ITW, can anyone confirm or deny this?
By July 1944 No.90 ITW had been established at Cranage purely for Flight Engineers. By then gunners, navigators and wireless operators also had separate ITWs.
More to follow when I have time.
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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04 Oct 2014 09:48 #23
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Thanks for that.
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04 Oct 2014 13:46 #24
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I am sure things changed as the war went on and depending on the aircraft that the crews were destined for.
In the case of my father who became the Navigator on a crew on 640 squadron flying Halifaxes, and based on the information in his logbook...
He returned to the UK after training in South Africa and underwent European Familiarisation at 9 (O) AFU at Llandwrog in March 44,
then moved on to 10 OTU at Stanton Harcourt where he first crewed up with his pilot, Dick English and where they flew Whiteleys. The Whitely had a crew of 5, Pilot, Navigator/Bomb Aimer, Wireless Operator and 2 Air Gunners.
From here they moved on, I believe as a crew, to 1658 HCU at Riccall where they started working up on Halifax II and III's. It was at this point that the Flight Engineer, Jock Sturrock, and another Air Gunner, joined the crew and then they moved on to 640 squadron at Leconfield with their first Op in August 1944
This photo is annotated as Leconfield and so must be the standard 'before Ops' photo. They look a lot more cheerful in the end of tour photo, 37 trips later!
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In the case of my father who became the Navigator on a crew on 640 squadron flying Halifaxes, and based on the information in his logbook...
He returned to the UK after training in South Africa and underwent European Familiarisation at 9 (O) AFU at Llandwrog in March 44,
then moved on to 10 OTU at Stanton Harcourt where he first crewed up with his pilot, Dick English and where they flew Whiteleys. The Whitely had a crew of 5, Pilot, Navigator/Bomb Aimer, Wireless Operator and 2 Air Gunners.
From here they moved on, I believe as a crew, to 1658 HCU at Riccall where they started working up on Halifax II and III's. It was at this point that the Flight Engineer, Jock Sturrock, and another Air Gunner, joined the crew and then they moved on to 640 squadron at Leconfield with their first Op in August 1944
This photo is annotated as Leconfield and so must be the standard 'before Ops' photo. They look a lot more cheerful in the end of tour photo, 37 trips later!
[IMG]/community/151729=18292-Scan_20141004 (4) (1024x825).jpg[/img]
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04 Oct 2014 17:41 #25
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Lovely photo Kevin, is it dated, and which one is your father?
Thanks to every one who has added extra info to this thread.
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Thanks to every one who has added extra info to this thread.
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06 Oct 2014 16:47 #26
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Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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1944 status is
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07 Oct 2014 15:34 #27
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Not dated, but would have been August 1944
My father, Des Turner is front right, centre is the pilot Dick English, and on the left is the Bomb Aimer Alec Unsworth
In the back row on the right is Jock Sturrock who was the Flight Engineer who pm'ed me on here about a year ago
To his left is Len Greenham who was involved with the Halifax restoration at Elvington
Next to him I think is Bill Nealey and on the left I think is Williams but I am not sure about these two
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Lovely photo Kevin, is it dated, and which one is your father?
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Not dated, but would have been August 1944
My father, Des Turner is front right, centre is the pilot Dick English, and on the left is the Bomb Aimer Alec Unsworth
In the back row on the right is Jock Sturrock who was the Flight Engineer who pm'ed me on here about a year ago
To his left is Len Greenham who was involved with the Halifax restoration at Elvington
Next to him I think is Bill Nealey and on the left I think is Williams but I am not sure about these two
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13 Oct 2014 15:38 #28
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And then there were people such as the actors Richard Burton, Robert Hardy and Warren Mitchell. They all did a course at Oxford University before doing flying training. The politician Merlyn Rees did a course at Nottingham University.
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My grandfather, Philip Simons, was an RAF interpreter. He spoke often of a Jock Sturrock in the RAF whom he served with. Is this the same man?
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I am sure things changed as the war went on and depending on the aircraft that the crews were destined for.
In the case of my father who became the Navigator on a crew on 640 squadron flying Halifaxes, and based on the information in his logbook...
He returned to the UK after training in South Africa and underwent European Familiarisation at 9 (O) AFU at Llandwrog in March 44,
then moved on to 10 OTU at Stanton Harcourt where he first crewed up with his pilot, Dick English and where they flew Whiteleys. The Whitely had a crew of 5, Pilot, Navigator/Bomb Aimer, Wireless Operator and 2 Air Gunners.
From here they moved on, I believe as a crew, to 1658 HCU at Riccall where they started working up on Halifax II and III's. It was at this point that the Flight Engineer, Jock Sturrock, and another Air Gunner, joined the crew and then they moved on to 640 squadron at Leconfield with their first Op in August 1944
This photo is annotated as Leconfield and so must be the standard 'before Ops' photo. They look a lot more cheerful in the end of tour photo, 37 trips later!
[IMG]/community/151729=18292-Scan_20141004 (4) (1024x825).jpg[/img]
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My grandfather, Philip Simons, was an RAF interpreter. He spoke often of a Jock Sturrock in the RAF whom he served with. Is this the same man?
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I have no idea. Post war Jock was a labour councillor/alderman on Sheffield City Council.
Googling Jock, does throw up at least one other.....
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My grandfather, Philip Simons, was an RAF interpreter. He spoke often of a Jock Sturrock in the RAF whom he served with. Is this the same man?
I have no idea. Post war Jock was a labour councillor/alderman on Sheffield City Council.
Googling Jock, does throw up at least one other.....
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