Highball trials unit-where?

10 Oct 2019 16:56 #61 by John Anderson
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I also read it as Wainfleet being a new range for Highball trials. They had previously used Wells-next-the-Sea (a MAP range) which perhaps had been de-requistioned by then.

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10 Oct 2019 19:14 #62 by Peter Kirk
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Wells was a moving target range, using armoured target boats and towed splash targets and was opened in 1940. It seemed to have been used into 1944 by RAF units but 1944 also included Highball trials there. The Queen Gull radio controlled target boat was also used here. The last use I have recorded was by 299 Squadron's Stirlings in April 1945!

So far I have found no indication it was a MAP range but it could easily have been transferred to MAP after squadron use diminished and the 299 use may have been with consent from MAP or maybe MAP relinquished control. As some MAP ranges were often used by operational units this would not be an unusual situation.

Another question to add to the list :)

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02 Nov 2019 13:26 - 18 Oct 2020 18:33 #63 by John Anderson
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Anyone need a trials officer?

Leo Lane wrote this CV when he was just about to leave the Navy. He did not fancy going back to his previous occupation as an arborist with London Council. He did not get the job, though he did eventually share a post war cash award for his work on plastic armour

He wrote from MAP in Thames House, London now the HQ of MI5.

Edit: I have removed the PDF that the forum software corrupted. See the following post for readable copies (Peter Kirk)

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02 Nov 2019 13:43 - 02 Nov 2019 13:48 #64 by John Anderson
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There seems to be a "technical" problem with the CV scans, bear with me!

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11 Jan 2020 10:17 #65 by John Anderson
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Didn't want to create a new thread for this so tacked onto this one.

21 Sqn, whilst based at Gravesend with Mosquitoes recorded the folling in their ORB for 19/5/1944 - "Highball was carried out during the day"

This could refer to another highball, perhaps a mission type but suspect there wouldn't be two code names of the same name in the RAF. Any ideas?


Just had another look in Lane's 1944 diary. Mentions being at Gravesend and Sittingbourne on 28 April, no other details but likely to be Highball related. He was attending Highball trials at Reculver, Wells-next-the-Sea and Ashley Walk that month.

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18 Oct 2020 18:37 #66 by Peter Kirk
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The 618 ORB referred to a a visit by Mr Wallis, the inventor of "Oxtail", which became "Highball". This is the second mention I have come across for "Oxtail"

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18 Oct 2020 21:16 #67 by John Anderson
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Operation Oxtail was the planned use of Highball in the Pacific by 618 Sqn against the Japanese Navy.
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18 Oct 2020 21:36 #68 by netcompsys
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Operation Oxtail was the planned use of Highball in the Pacific by 618 Sqn against the Japanese Navy.


Mentioned in the chapter summary here
www.sirbarneswallis.com/BookInfo.htm

Bouncing-Bomb Man: The Science of Sir Barnes Wallis
by Iain Murray

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23 Oct 2020 14:12 - 23 Oct 2020 14:12 #69 by netcompsys
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Oxtail and 618 Sqn get a mention in this pdf

www.worldhistory.biz/download567/RAFBecclesatWar1943-45.pdf

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07 May 2021 11:48 #70 by LeeBagnall
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Further thoughts on my recent post.

Reference Post 17 and the accident to Mosquito DZ579/G on 25 October 1945, this aircraft was prepared for service in the Far East with 618 Squadron, and although delivered to the squadron on 11 September 1944 it was not shipped abroad. Instead, it was assigned to 27 MU on 18 November 1944 then Vickers on 18 December. As John says, it went to MAEE.

At least two Mossies were used for Card trials post-war, being TR33s TW228 and TW230/G. The TR33 had a solid nose, so these are not in the photographs opening this thread. However, they would be prime candidates for WJT’s Spilsby reference -- and handy for Wells-next-the-Sea range. (Earlier Highball trials here had been against HMS Malaya, which was by then decommissioned for “bombarding duties”. She was sold in 1948 so may have still been at Wells for Card trials.)

DZ579 should have windscreen wipers, which were a Far East mod. It is difficult to see if the photographed aircraft is thus equipped. It would also have had a hook and armoured windscreen.

With most of the Highball aircraft in Australia during 1945, the only ones remaining in the UK at the end of the war were:
DZ471/G Vickers
DZ530/G possibly extant
DZ541 became 6500M
DZ543 fate unknown (FE mods, but no later record)

That does not leave many spare glass-nosed Mossies as candidates. But, there again, it is difficult to see whether the aircraft in the picture has Highball mods.


I doubt it's a Highball aircraft - there's no evidence of navalisation nor the bulletproof bulkhead in the nose that blocked entry, so not one of the aircraft modified for Oxtail. Paddle blade props and plain wheel hubs. I suspect it's a Canadian production B.20 or B.25. There were plenty used in penny packets post war by various RAF and FAA units.

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