Concorde

10 Feb 2019 13:40 - 10 Feb 2019 13:41 #21 by netcompsys
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And I no nothing about the supersonic photos from an F3, please enlighten me.


Most online "journalists" describe this as the photo taken at Mach 2, but I suspect that is only because they are unable to differentiate between the terms "Mach 2" and "Supersonic"
G-BOAG


I believe this to be a more likely description of the event, although I cannot see what "stripped down" actualy could mean

Taken in April 1985 the cool photo in this post is the only picture of Concorde flying at supersonic speed.

The image was taken by Adrian Meredith who was flying a Royal Air Force Tornado jet during a rendezvous with the Concorde over the Irish Sea in April 1985.

Although the Tornado could match Concorde’s cruising speed it could only do so for a matter of minutes due to the enormous rate of fuel consumption.

Several attempts were made to take the photo, and eventually the Concorde had to slow down from Mach 2 to Mach 1.5-1.6 so that the Tornado crew could get the shot. The Tornado was stripped of everything to get it up to that speed as long as possible.

After racing to catch the Concorde and struggling to keep up, the Tornado broke off the rendezvous after just four minutes, while Concorde cruised serenely on to JFK!

theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-the-only-p...at-supersonic-speed/

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10 Feb 2019 14:19 #22 by Peter Kirk
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It's a shame there is nothing to show the high speed other than perhaps the height, although that is not conclusive. I wonder what reason the flat earthers will give for the curve of the earth? Wide angle lens no doubt!

No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)

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10 Feb 2019 18:42 - 10 Feb 2019 18:49 #23 by netcompsys
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There are any number of webpages out there that talk about this photo

Many erroneously state that Adrian Meredith was flying the Tornado, he was a photographer.

They also describe the aircraft as a Tornado Attack Fighter or similar when it was in fact the ADV model an F2, ZD902 and probably from 229 OCU at Coningsby in 1985.

This aircraft was later modified to an F2A and is currently for sale
www.jetartaviation.co.uk/what-we-do/aircraft/
and
www.jetartaviation.co.uk/2017/01/tornado...et-art-now-for-sale/

Built in 1984, this is the only F2A variant Tornado aircraft in existence. This unique aircraft is a ‘T-bird’ twin stick variant of the Tornado with full flying controls in both cockpits. The aircraft is decommissioned with weapons systems and radar removed, but otherwise complete. This represents a one-off acquisition opportunity!

Tornado F2A ZD902 was originally attached to 229 OCU at RAF Coningsby in a training role. In 1988 it was converted at St Athan to F2A specification. This upgrade was designed to bring early F2 airframes up to F3 standard whilst retaining the Turbo-Union RB199 103 engines. Bizarrely, ZD902 ended up being the only aircraft to receive the modifications, with most of the remaining F2s eventually becoming spares sources.

ZD902 was famously used as a camera chase aircraft in 1985 flying alongside Concorde at MACH 2.


So who was the pilot..... ?

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11 Feb 2019 10:20 #24 by canberra
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Ah yes the F2 spare source, or dont let Airworks touch Tornado F3s!!!!!!!!!!!

Back in 84 Concord(e) brought a group of golf enthusiasts in for the Open, I believe that some people managed to get a free flight back to Heathrow. And who recalls when BA used Concord(e)s on the shuttle?

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13 Feb 2019 10:21 #25 by canberra
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Back in the late eighties a Concord(e) landed at Heathrow on fumes. Anyone know anything more about it?

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13 Feb 2019 18:09 #26 by John Anderson
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The story was that the flight had a delayed taxy & take off at JFK. The captain decided not to make a tech call for fuel at Shannon. Some further congestion on arrival at LHR, but the captain did not declare a Pan Pan or other emergency. When the aircraft eventually landed it had to be towed to Terminal 4 from the taxiway. The captain concerned was the most senior Concorde pilot, he never flew for BA again.
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13 Feb 2019 19:21 #27 by IanDDavidson
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There are any number of webpages out there that talk about this photo

Many erroneously state that Adrian Meredith was flying the Tornado, he was a photographer.

They also describe the aircraft as a Tornado Attack Fighter or similar when it was in fact the ADV model an F2, ZD902 and probably from 229 OCU at Coningsby in 1985.

This aircraft was later modified to an F2A and is currently for sale
www.jetartaviation.co.uk/what-we-do/aircraft/
and
www.jetartaviation.co.uk/2017/01/tornado...et-art-now-for-sale/

Built in 1984, this is the only F2A variant Tornado aircraft in existence. This unique aircraft is a ‘T-bird’ twin stick variant of the Tornado with full flying controls in both cockpits. The aircraft is decommissioned with weapons systems and radar removed, but otherwise complete. This represents a one-off acquisition opportunity!

Tornado F2A ZD902 was originally attached to 229 OCU at RAF Coningsby in a training role. In 1988 it was converted at St Athan to F2A specification. This upgrade was designed to bring early F2 airframes up to F3 standard whilst retaining the Turbo-Union RB199 103 engines. Bizarrely, ZD902 ended up being the only aircraft to receive the modifications, with most of the remaining F2s eventually becoming spares sources.

ZD902 was famously used as a camera chase aircraft in 1985 flying alongside Concorde at MACH 2.


So who was the pilot..... ?


Kevin is 100% correct. Adrian Meredith was/ is the official BA photographer. I have met him and a bloody funny (amusing) chap he is too.
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14 Feb 2019 10:47 - 14 Feb 2019 10:50 #28 by John Anderson
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Concorde always carried unusable fuel used only for trimming purposes in flight. Known as Delta Tank 11 fuel it used to be moved around by the flight engineer.
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17 Feb 2019 11:48 #29 by canberra
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The Tornado used for the picture may actually have been at Warton when the picture was taken. In 85 the ADV was only just starting to enter service with the RAF, would the OCU have been able to spare the time for the picture? As I said until it was mentioned on here I knew nothing about it. Im sure that if the RAF had taken the picture it would have been splashed all over RAF news.

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17 Feb 2019 20:12 #30 by carnaby
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Back in the late eighties a Concord(e) landed at Heathrow on fumes. Anyone know anything more about it?


From another post:

Concorde must take off within 20 minutes of engine start' That particular aircraft left JFK after an 18-minute engine run. That's just within the 20 minutes, however the aircraft encountered a significant headwind across the Pond.

The pilot radioed in and was advised to land and refuel at Shannon. He didn't and evidently at least one engine had stopped on the approach to Heathrow.

It must be remembered that Concorde is 'a dart' and cannot glide like conventional airliners. The pilot concerned was lucky to land without the inevitable happening, but lost his job immediately.

Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite :twisted:
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