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03 Jan 2017 10:56 #11
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Operation Manna must have been something to behold as I read an account of the formations flying over East Anglia taking over an hour to pass over and at very low level. I wonder if the plane spotters had trouble taking down all the numerous and codes?
The drop itself is something I know little about but assume a lot was free fall from 200ft and some was paradropped.
Time to check amazon for books on the subject
The drop itself is something I know little about but assume a lot was free fall from 200ft and some was paradropped.
Time to check amazon for books on the subject
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03 Jan 2017 12:04 #12
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Here's the answer; the loads were suspended;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_Manna_a...945_IWM_CH_15159.jpg
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_Manna_a...945_IWM_CH_15159.jpg
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03 Jan 2017 19:48 #13
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I also found this site which has some excellent first hand memories of those who flew the missions and those on the ground.
What seems to be overwhelming is the numbers of aircrew who said it was the missions that gave them the most satisfaction. One crew reported coming back red eyed from emotion at the response from those on the ground.
I did like the bit about the Dutch organisation on the ground and that first aid centres were set up to treat those struck by falling food supplies.
It was a shame "Manna" didn't happen earlier but I suspect the negotiations and logistics took time to organise. However despite the truce not being active the RAF did drop in the hope they were not fired on and to their credit the Germans, although manning their guns did not open fire, apart from a few fanatics who used small arms.
As an aside, a search of the National Archives reveals loads of files on Operation Manna but all seem to be a year earlier and in the Balkans!
What seems to be overwhelming is the numbers of aircrew who said it was the missions that gave them the most satisfaction. One crew reported coming back red eyed from emotion at the response from those on the ground.
I did like the bit about the Dutch organisation on the ground and that first aid centres were set up to treat those struck by falling food supplies.
It was a shame "Manna" didn't happen earlier but I suspect the negotiations and logistics took time to organise. However despite the truce not being active the RAF did drop in the hope they were not fired on and to their credit the Germans, although manning their guns did not open fire, apart from a few fanatics who used small arms.
As an aside, a search of the National Archives reveals loads of files on Operation Manna but all seem to be a year earlier and in the Balkans!
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04 Jan 2017 16:19 #14
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This is I think the only operation name that actually relates to what the operation is about. Forget Jericho, that name was only used after the raid.
Every year at the RAFA home in Sussex the Dutch drop an edam cheese as a commemeration.
Every year at the RAFA home in Sussex the Dutch drop an edam cheese as a commemeration.
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09 Jan 2017 13:11 #15
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Relating to Anglo/Dutch relationships there is a plaque(relatively recent) on the site of the Baginton FIelds ww2 workers hostel This plaque explains that in 1945 Dutch children arrived to convaesce and escape the famine and disease that ravaged Europe Queen Wilhelmena of the Netherlands(r 1890-1948) helped fund the Baginton Fields hostel which gave hostage and safety to 500 children.
the site is now a wild wasteland just of the A45 and a short distance by crow flight from Baginton Airport Coventry.
Wartime hostels are a feature of the second world war that are quite neglected .I actually went to school in one (Brentwood Avenue Infant School) now demolished.
I think it was the contemporary film "thousands like us" that shows the important role of workers hostels also the protagonist marries an airman played by i think Gordon Jackson better known as the butler from upstairs downstairs.
the site is now a wild wasteland just of the A45 and a short distance by crow flight from Baginton Airport Coventry.
Wartime hostels are a feature of the second world war that are quite neglected .I actually went to school in one (Brentwood Avenue Infant School) now demolished.
I think it was the contemporary film "thousands like us" that shows the important role of workers hostels also the protagonist marries an airman played by i think Gordon Jackson better known as the butler from upstairs downstairs.
Long ago and far away
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09 Jan 2017 17:03 #16
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Slightly off topic but relevant to the Netherlands. The Dutch royal family (except Prince Bernhard) went to Ottawa in 1940 and stayed there for the rest of wwii. As a thank you to the citizens of Ottawa Queen Wilhelemena donated 100,000 tulip bulbs to the city. Every year in Ottawa there is a tulip festival as a commemaration.
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19 Feb 2020 17:49 #17
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I think the "THANK YOU" messages painted on the roofs of houses and laid out on the ground are well known but 170 Sqn records show that in one case at least a request was also laid out on the ground - "Tabac S.V.P."
No idea if the request was fulfilled.
No idea if the request was fulfilled.
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21 Feb 2020 10:03 - 21 Feb 2020 10:04 #18
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This painting hangs in the cafe at the IBCC Lincoln
It was presented to IBCC in 2015 to mark the 70th anniversary of Manna
It was presented to IBCC in 2015 to mark the 70th anniversary of Manna
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21 Feb 2020 11:30 #19
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The Channel Islands were in a very similar situation in late 44, and their case the Red Cross sent SS Vega in with Red Cross parcels. But the parcels were for the civilians only, not for German troops. I wonder why something like MANNA wasnt thought of there?
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21 Feb 2020 12:05 #20
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Regarding the Channel Islands - We were told that the civilians felt sorry for some of the Germans who had been kind to them and gave them some of the Red Cross food. I suspect the size of the islands and the undulating landscape would have made a Manna type operation a bit more risky. Large flat areas abound in Netherlands
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