1940 airfields

10 Jan 2009 10:21 - 18 Mar 2018 17:28 #1 by Pat_Pattle
1940 airfields was created by Pat_Pattle
Here are some screenshots of some of the airfields I've made for Microsofts CFS3 (though not all of the models are mine). They represent them as they would have been in 1940.
It's not possible to get the same definition of the runways etc as it is in fs9 but with the combat sims you can fly in formation, re-create historical missions and have a crack at Harry Hun!

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10 Jan 2009 10:52 #2 by Paul Francis
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Sorry to be picy, it is unlikely that there were Nissens on airfields in 1940 (1941 yes) , nor a blast shelter either as they had not been invented yet! Having said that I really like the shot with the timber hutting. If you replaced the Nissens with timber huts then you can call it 1940, but with the Nissens its 1941 onwards. Hope you dont mind me pointing this out.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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10 Jan 2009 12:30 #3 by Pat_Pattle
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Sorry to be picy, it is unlikely that there were Nissens on airfields in 1940 (1941 yes) , nor a blast shelter either as they had not been invented yet! Having said that I really like the shot with the timber hutting. If you replaced the Nissens with timber huts then you can call it 1940, but with the Nissens its 1941 onwards. Hope you dont mind me pointing this out.


Please feel free to pick away! All information gratefully recieved. :) I'll get onto the ministry straight away and get them changed.

I didn't know about the blast shelters, was there a specific type(s) then, or would it have been slit trenches?

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10 Jan 2009 13:50 #4 by Paul Francis
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Trench shelters yes, either above or below ground, often banana, straight or 'V'-shaped in plan, earth and turf covered structure with a brick main entrance and steps down. At the other end just a square hole with steel ladder inside. The banana - shaped ones are lined inside with corrugated iron sheeting a bit like a WW1 trench while the others are either lined with concrete or brick. Duxford has a banana example extant on north site. Jurby in the IoM has the straight version.

Blast shelters are more 1942-ish and are above ground open topped trench shelters that can be used by airmen as trenches to defend the airfield or to take cover during an air-raid.

Ironically Nissens were used during 1940 on airfields, but these were underground, as air-raid shelters. There are several of these at Duxford.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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10 Jan 2009 18:41 #5 by daveg4otu
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Very nice ...do you mind if I ask what tools you used for creating the scenery?

See my Hampshire,Dorset,Devon,IOW Airfields sites..
www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/

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11 Jan 2009 08:11 #6 by Pat_Pattle
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it is unlikely that there were Nissens on airfields in 1940


I've just remembered the Fowlmere entry in the BoB then and now book - p202 in my copy, this shows Nissens (or similar) and is what I based the model on.

Confused of Chudleigh Knighton :)

Thanks for the info on the shelters, I'll make a new model.

do you mind if I ask what tools you used for creating the scenery?


Dave, I use Gmax for the models and Paint.net for the textures.

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11 Jan 2009 09:42 #7 by Paul Francis
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it is unlikely that there were Nissens on airfields in 1940


I've just remembered the Fowlmere entry in the BoB then and now book - p202 in my copy, this shows Nissens (or similar) and is what I based the model on.

Confused of Chudleigh Knighton :)

No need to be confused, if the BoB book says the pic with Nissens at Fowlmere is dated 1940, then they are wrong, as a quick look at the site plan would reveal that Folmere only had a few brick buildings and Laing huts in 1940. It never had that many Nissens on the airfield, just 22 and some of those are half Nissens, most erected 1941 and some erected 1942 and 1943.If in doubt always consult the primary not the secondary sourse.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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11 Jan 2009 21:25 #8 by daveg4otu
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I use Gmax for the models

Thought you might - can't imagine doing it all without such things ....I found (for FS9 ) thAt FSSC (Flight Sim Scenery Creator) was a very useful overall tool but dont know whether it works for CFS.

See my Hampshire,Dorset,Devon,IOW Airfields sites..
www.hampshireairfields.co.uk/

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12 Jan 2009 06:59 #9 by Pat_Pattle
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No need to be confused, if the BoB book says the pic with Nissens at Fowlmere is dated 1940, then they are wrong, as a quick look at the site plan would reveal that Folmere only had a few brick buildings and Laing huts in 1940. It never had that many Nissens on the airfield, just 22 and some of those are half Nissens, most erected 1941 and some erected 1942 and 1943.If in doubt always consult the primary not the secondary sourse.


One of the -photos in the book shows Sub Lt. Blake, an RN pilot, sat in front of one of these huts, he was killed in action on October 29th 1940.
It may be that the 3 huts at Fowlmere were converted farm buildings or are another type of hut? As far as I've been able to find out, apart from tents, the only accomodation at Fowlmere during the battle were the buildings around Manor farm. I'd very much like to know for sure! :)

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12 Jan 2009 20:07 #10 by Peter Kirk
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I remember these photos. It always struck me as very "farmy". Next to the "nissens" is an open barn with tents inside so it seems to support the farm building theory. If there are plans from this period then I assume they would be marked as something other than Nissen?

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