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04 Apr 2014 11:52 #1
by Peter Kirk
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Wasn't there a F-4 celebration at Greenham Common IAT at one time? I seem to recall a line of f_4's of different nationalities but that may just have been a coincidence. There were a few at the Royal Review in 1977, maybe I'm getting confused!
I have yet to digitise my airshow pics, maybe a job to do next winter!
I have yet to digitise my airshow pics, maybe a job to do next winter!
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04 Apr 2014 12:29 #2
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1983 was the IAT F-4 25th anniversary meet, included the Alcock & Brown Phantom XV424 and the anniversary marked A&AEE Phantom, XT597.
Edit, of course the Alcock & Brown Phantom was '79 IAT!
Edit, of course the Alcock & Brown Phantom was '79 IAT!
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04 Apr 2014 17:08 #3
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Are there any airworthy F4's in the UK Rich?
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04 Apr 2014 17:39 #4
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Nope, I think the only ones flying are the Turkish and Japanese ones. I don't know if Greece and Iran still have any?
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Are there any airworthy F4's in the UK Rich?
Nope, I think the only ones flying are the Turkish and Japanese ones. I don't know if Greece and Iran still have any?
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04 Apr 2014 19:08 #5
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You won't see any UK airworthy Phantoms in the UK, for several reasons including it being a complex type in CAA (with no UK DA support) eyes and the US DoD not even keen on them being preserved at all at one stage.
It's only through much persistence that that some Phantoms escaped the scrappers torch, unfortunately the J(UK)s didn't fare so well.
I seem to recall that when Ray Hanna secured XV474 (20 years ago!!) that there was initially an idea to fly it and to at least keep it in taxying condition.
There is a superb F-4D flown by the Collins Foundation in the States
Nice shots Rich, seems Bentwaters is a rich seam of 'toom preservation!
It's only through much persistence that that some Phantoms escaped the scrappers torch, unfortunately the J(UK)s didn't fare so well.
I seem to recall that when Ray Hanna secured XV474 (20 years ago!!) that there was initially an idea to fly it and to at least keep it in taxying condition.
There is a superb F-4D flown by the Collins Foundation in the States
Nice shots Rich, seems Bentwaters is a rich seam of 'toom preservation!
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04 Apr 2014 19:22 #6
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Thanks, at least I know which tray to look for - when I find the trays! Surprised it was 1983 as I must have taken the future Mrs PNK then!
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1983 was the IAT F-4 25th anniversary meet, included the Alcock & Brown Phantom XV424 and the anniversary marked A&AEE Phantom, XT597.
Edit, of course the Alcock & Brown Phantom was '79 IAT!
Thanks, at least I know which tray to look for - when I find the trays! Surprised it was 1983 as I must have taken the future Mrs PNK then!
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04 Apr 2014 19:36 #7
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There were always plenty of Phantoms lined up at the IATs Peter, so you could have remembered another show to that year?
FGR.2 XV500 'XV499 U', the St Athan gate guard, was one of the unlucky ones
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FGR.2 XV500 'XV499 U', the St Athan gate guard, was one of the unlucky ones
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Were any parts of XV499 saved?
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04 Apr 2014 21:45 #9
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I think the canopies, and maybe undercarriage were saved to go to another Phantom. I was offered the fin to take away there and then, but sadly was impossible for me to move at the time, believe the rest of the hulk went to an Ogmore scrap dealer.
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29 Apr 2014 17:41 #10
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McDonnell Douglas RF-4C Phantom II (69-0372) on display at the Air Power Park in Hampton, Virginia, USA. I took this photo last friday on 25th April 2014.
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