Modeling Airfield Camouflage

06 Jan 2011 11:03 #1 by Able Mabel
Modeling Airfield Camouflage was created by Able Mabel
A couple of converts . . .
First example is the Airfix kit with the bottom section cut back to the balconey and then a nother section added in a similar vein as Tibbenham (?) if i remember.

Second is a case of joining TWO Airfix kits together and adding rooms each end . .

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06 Jan 2011 12:26 #2 by Paul Francis
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Abel, your modelling skills are quite remarkable, I wish mine were anything like yours but sadly not. However, you seriously need to think again about the camouflage schemes as I fear this is incorrect.

You can tell a builder from an archaeologist by the size of his trowel. Mine is a small one!

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06 Jan 2011 14:24 #3 by Able Mabel
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Abel, your modelling skills are quite remarkable, I wish mine were anything like yours but sadly not. However, you seriously need to think again about the camouflage schemes as I fear this is incorrect.


NorwichPaul

I would be interested in your intepretation of the camouflage scheme dated around 1943/44.??

I remember at places like Swinderby, Binbrook and Manby that the early colour patterns on there were dark earth and black and were still evident into the 70's.

I have seen early schemes at such places like Goxhill where most buildings were in two colours whereas the hangars three, possibly four.

Aerial photos i have often show a disruptive pattern merely over buildings and this i take to be the camouflage undertaken on the majority of sites

I know you have scheme of direct camouflage of RAF buildings into houses and barns etc but i dont think this applies to bomber stations.

Having looked thro numerous books, such disruptive pattern show to be the more common.

As to colour, well en-masse i think you have to imagine earthy colours rather than local at each site(s)

Any pointers would be appreciated ....

(Mod: Feel free to move to a more appropriate topic site if needed rather than 'spoil' the original discusion).

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06 Jan 2011 16:02 #4 by Paul Francis
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Abel its not my interpretation. We have a camouflage scheme drawing for huts which from memory shows three colours, the darkest of which runs through the windows. If you look at your models the windows show up as black, the idea was to disrupt the window line not enhance it. Though I have to admit in the real world a lot of the time it came down to the skill of painter. We also have quite a few HMSO camouflage paint charts (showing colours) and diagrams for various types of buildings including factories, north light hangars etc, also paint company brochures from the war. We also have a complete set of school class notes from a camouflage school with actual photos showing then and now oblique aerial views of airfields. Finally if you look in my defences book there is a 1941 pic of a camouflaged pillbox, showing the disruptive pattern.

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06 Jan 2011 21:03 #5 by mawganmad
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Interesting discussion, were many towers actually camoflaged? It seems hard to find pictures of them in anything but a dull, or cement render finish?
Buildings that I have seen with original camo on seem to have gentle hues and be very washed out in effect, ie not stark disruptive camo (like aircraft and vehicles) or is this an effect of age?

James Thomas

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06 Jan 2011 22:40 #6 by Paul Francis
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Quite right MM, I was coming to that but you beat me to it! They were not camouflaged in most cases.

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07 Jan 2011 09:20 #7 by Able Mabel
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I would certainly agree that most late builds CT's were not camouflaged.

If you look thro 'Bases of Bomber Command' then you will see examples of early CT camouflaged, Binbrook comes to mind as welll as camouflaged hangars at Hemswell, Swanton etc

However, the aerials i have show that buildings were camouflaged early on and i also believe that as the war progressed the need for camouflage declined to such that a lot of buildings were either left in their natural cement render finnish or one colour although Nissen were painted to 'hide' the natural metal.

Are you suggesting then that the majority of buildings were finnished in Earth and black ?? this seems to be the colours i could run with . . .

I also believe that with the passing of the war-years that it did fade and was not renewed and if it is the case that photographs became more available of the later wartime period images, did/do show faded patterns.

I really would like to resolve this before i place my buildings permanantly on the diorama boards

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07 Jan 2011 10:02 #8 by Paul Francis
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Expansion period aerodromes were concelled in this way because of their symmetrical planning, it was very necessary to break this up from the air. For this reason you cannot compare an austerity well dispersed airfield with one built during the expansion period. The planning of a WW2 airfield is entirely different, buildings were placed without symmetry, they followed natural hedge lines and made use of tree canopies for concelment etc. Some were painted but others were not. The only accurate way you can resolve this is to have a look at wartime pictures, you say you have these? I said three colours not two.

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07 Jan 2011 10:26 #9 by Able Mabel
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I entirely agree with the need to conceal Expansion period sites for the very reasons you describe. . .

Likewise 'duration only' site were dispersed more so.

I am talking here about Grimsby (Watham) whose technical area was not widely dispersed and the aerials i have from English Heritage NMR dated 1941/42 does show overall camouflage on buildings. Even the photo of the Waltham Tech site (Sid Finn - Lincolnshire Air War) you can see camouflage existing on the buildings; 1943.

The point really Norwichpaul is .. . . what colours would you suggest ???

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07 Jan 2011 11:04 #10 by Paul Francis
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Shall have to get back to you on that, as I need to locate the drawing.

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