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09 Dec 2014 12:06 #183
by Garth Barnard
After talking with the B-17 ('Sentimental Journey') pilot about the CG, he said it could be trimmed, providing it was fixed and stayed fixed. With the passengers sat 'toboggan style' the acceleration on take off may have caused the passengers slide to the rear, but a contributory factor would've been the 4ft x 4ft crate of tinned Bully Beef that wasn't on the manifesto, so the official overall weight cannot be verified, but it was certainly heavier than the inexperienced pilot was aware of.
The plane went-in in a very flat/shallow manner, with eye-witnesses stating the mangrove trees were trimmed/chopped shorter and shorter over a fair distance before the wreckage was found, like the pilot was trying to put down. The fuselage broke in the middle, with the tail section going over the top of the front section and for a considerable distance further than the main wreckage, with most of the bodies found in that small section of the fuselage.
I welcome anyone's input.
Replied by Garth Barnard on topic TV Alert
Enjoyed the third episode of WWII Air Crash Detectives. I wasn't sure if the passengers were secured or if the canoe linked passengers could move en masse further back. It would also be interesting to find out what part hit the ground first. Also could the slight tail heaviness be trimmed out if it occurred? I must admit the CG shift was my first thought as I have this recollection of the importance of correct and secure loading on purpose built transports so a conversion will have no official reference document.
Just what you wanted a load of armchair experts
After talking with the B-17 ('Sentimental Journey') pilot about the CG, he said it could be trimmed, providing it was fixed and stayed fixed. With the passengers sat 'toboggan style' the acceleration on take off may have caused the passengers slide to the rear, but a contributory factor would've been the 4ft x 4ft crate of tinned Bully Beef that wasn't on the manifesto, so the official overall weight cannot be verified, but it was certainly heavier than the inexperienced pilot was aware of.
The plane went-in in a very flat/shallow manner, with eye-witnesses stating the mangrove trees were trimmed/chopped shorter and shorter over a fair distance before the wreckage was found, like the pilot was trying to put down. The fuselage broke in the middle, with the tail section going over the top of the front section and for a considerable distance further than the main wreckage, with most of the bodies found in that small section of the fuselage.
I welcome anyone's input.
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09 Dec 2014 13:52 #184
by Peter Kirk
No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)
Replied by Peter Kirk on topic TV Alert
If the CG did keep changing they would have been busy on the trim wheel and if it got to much for trimming I suspect a bit of elevator might have been used so the normal elevator position on the control column would be wrong and may result in over or under elevator movements for normal flight manoeuvres.
I have very little practical flying experience (2 hours) so I have no basis other than logic, and driving a car with a flat tyre
I have very little practical flying experience (2 hours) so I have no basis other than logic, and driving a car with a flat tyre
No Amount Of Evidence Will Ever Persuade An Idiot (probably not Mark Twain)
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14 Jan 2015 10:56 #185
by carnaby
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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14 Jan 2015 21:51 #187
by carnaby
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
Plan A is always more effective when the problem you are working on understands that Plan B will involve the use of dynamite
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